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#46 StickFlicker

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It sounds like wapitibob has figured out the OP's question.  However, I would think that they would give that permit to the applicant with the highest number of bonus points, regardless of whether that person is a R or NR.  I don't think it matters that the person that originally drew the tag was a NR, since it the bonus round rule is worded "up to" the specific percent.  Since the one bonus round permit was never guaranteed to go to a NR, it just did since a NR had the highest number of points, it should go to the next person with the highest number of points regardless of residency status.

 

With regard to TomHarveyB's question, there is one other thing to point-out.  While the answer given to you is correct, I wanted to point out that it is completely possible for a person to draw their second choice in the bonus round and then at the end of the drawing there could actually be leftover tags for that hunter's first choice.  In other words, it's possible to draw your second choice and G&F could have leftover permits in your first choice unit.  While that's pretty unlikely for elk, since there are few leftover tags, it happens all the time in species like javelina and deer that have good numbers of leftover tags. 

 

It's also completely possible to draw your second choice and never have even been given the chance to draw your first choice, which is likely what happened in the situation you mention.  If your second choice takes fewer bp's to receive a bonus round permit than your first choice, and if you have the number of points needed to be guaranteed your second choice, they don't even consider your first choice.


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Although in this instance it appears, through wb's research, that the person with 24 points did actually draw but did not receive the tag due to a credit card issue, there is another explanation where this type of thing could occur on this report. 

 

Just because it states that only one application was submitted with 24 points, this same result could occur if two, three or four people were on that application and their points averaged to 24.  There could have been two people with 26 points and two people with 22 points on that application, and it would have been shown on the report exactly this same way; showing that one application was submitted at 24 points.  However, if more than one of the applicants was a NR, that would have exceeded the number of permits that could have been issued to NR's in the bonus round and the entire application would have been rejected.


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"it should go to the next person with the highest number of points regardless of residency status."

If the bounced app came from the Bonus Pass, they go back to the 1st alternate from the Bonus Pass. If the bounced app came from the 1-2 Pass, they give the tag to the 1st alternate from the 1-2 Pass. Regulation will not  let them give the backfill tag to a NR if the cap has been filled. I drew my backfill tag as a nr, from a bounced app, because the guy was a nr, freeing up 1 tag.

 

The draw reports show all 1st choice apps, a party will show as 2 first choice applicants. AZ and WY are the same in that regard; party members all have the same random number and if you look at the draw database, every applicant is listed and processed in the draw. Because they have the same number the apps appear to be "combined" into a single app in the system but that's not the case.

 

 

"If your second choice takes fewer bp's to receive a bonus round permit than your first choice, and if you have the number of points needed to be guaranteed your second choice, they don't even consider your first choice."

 

The draw program will always look at your 1st choice first, in the Bonus Pass,  provided you have at least 1 point. If you are not drawn it then goes to your 2nd choice. If you have the points and a tag is available you will then draw your 2nd choice. You are now out of the draw and you have no chance to draw in the 1-2 Pass, where your points would have given you a weighted advantage and you might have drawn that 1st choice hunt.






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