HuntHike61

Not only did they steal, they made a family event of it. What is wrong with people? Of course, nobody on this site would likely know them- you probably need to go to a PETA or WWF forum for that...

Hunted 10 three years ago, mostly on BigBo. Scouted up half dozen upper 70 class bucks, but nothing BC. If that's what you are interested in, would happily share...

I have been using Keen Targhee for the last 10 years or so. They are tough, yet the most comfortable boots I've found. I'll put 10-15 miles a day on them for 1-2 weeks straight, across all kinds of cross country including whatever rock scrambling is required with no foot issues. I use mid height boots- not sure if you like taller ones.

Brutal. Unreal. Had no idea a deer could be that fanatical. Impressive video...

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Realistic only if you find someone who is hyper paranoid about their LR primer consistency. They aren't unicorns, but they don't represent a large portion of the market.

That's very possible. Since it is a hand load, it may have high pressure for his rifle regardless of bullet seating though. Or it may be a mild load that could be pressed right against the lands with no issues. The problem I have with using somebody else's handloads is that they were not developed carefully for that gun. Normally, you start with milder powder charges and off the lands for the bullet being worked. Then work your way to optimal powder charge, and determine best seating with incremental changes. End result can be something that works fine in one gun, but not so good for another. Factory loads avoid this by never being hot and always being short. If I was very confident with the source of the loads, and the load was mild "per the book" with that bullet, I would be confident in seating it to match my rifle and trying it, just like I would if I was testing rounds for my gun.

The picture doesn't answer the question because the ogive sets the length to the lands. Unless you are saying it is too long for the magazine. Both have to be considered.

It's easy to do with the seating die. But I'd be concerned about doing it. I would need to know exactly what the load is (powder charge/capacity, was it full length sized, how far does it need to go back based my gun's lands, etc.) . Basically, I would need to know everything I would to develop the load for my own gun.

Son and I drew 13A mule deer (thought is was gonna be 13B) on the random pass. Still stoked, even with drought should be a great hunt...

2 tags for either 13B or 13A- sooo happy....

$90 hit just now- 2 AZ strip tags! Woo hoo!!!!

I wish they had been more targeted with the rule myself. 9, 10, 12, 13 is where it was out of control- that's where they should have targeted it. However, SirRoyal, it isn't collusion, by definition, if you see it with your own eyes and ears. Every law and rule ever made is a series of back-and-forths just like you outlined and witnessed. No collusion, just typical politics.

I agree. Just a math exercise to illustrate a point about cost to get same coverage, not a realistic new approach. I'm sure they will do exactly what you are saying. I actually think it's better for the deer that way- less people driving in and out of every tank before and during the season. If they are back at a distance, the deer will come in. And yes, while they are there, they will get much better info. But many old bucks never hit tanks at day, so some will slip by now. Just an opinion....

And the math still scales. The cost of labor is the largest cost either way. Whether it's $15 or $2 and hour, the cost is 20X at minimum to get the same coverage. Yes, they will certainly reduce the coverage....

Fair enough- I wished I had hunted the unit with that in place. I guarantee they had much further coverage than that when I was there. And I still believe night coverage won't be anywhere near complete. Nobody sits all night long on a water hole for $50.

Another point- when I hunted unit 13, I had two whole cameras. I picked two tanks and just left them the whole 18 days I was there. I checked the cameras 3 times over that period. There were deer on them about 15 times- and 75% of the time it was during dark. So I gotta think that night vision is critical. My question is: who does that? Sit on a tank all night with night vision equipment? Ya, I suppose their are a few folks with nothing better to do than stare through night vision scopes all night long- but that's a 1/1000 kind of patience right there!

Yep, but the math scales in any case. 20 to 100X whatever they were investing before to get same or similar coverage.

Fun math exercise. Unit 13 has about 50 waterholes worth covering. So what does it take for a guide to cover the whole unit, before and after? Before: 50 cameras, 150 mile route to cover, about 40 hours effort to cover the route. Assume about 10 weeks of coverage, done weekly at most. Replace about 10 cameras per year as they go bad. Cost is about $5K upfront, $1K per year in equipment. Labor costs for fun-loving runners at about $15/hr would be $600 per route, $6K per year. Add some cost for gas, maintenance- whole thing costs $10K annually. After, to get SAME coverage via human effort: 50 water holes * 24 hours * 70 days is 84,000 hours. Labor cost alone is over $1M. That’s 100X what it cost to do it with cameras, and it doesn’t include the cost of good night-vision equipment. Even if they reduce the intel gathering to just 2 weeks, it still costs 20X what it cost before, assuming you can line up that kind of labor for one short period. Of course, you can play a bit up or down with either number. But anyway you look at it, the water hole coverage will be exponentially less in the new world- no guide can afford pure human effort to get the same coverage as before.

If they found out, I imagine so. Same as having a buddy fly over the unit one evening, see elk in a meadow, and just happen to mention it to you that morning. The law doesnt say who owns the camera, just that they cannot be used. Otherwise, a guide could use them, and provide that information to a hunter, and claim they were not used for hunting.

I'm gonna regret this, but here goes... I've gotten two "once in a lifetime" permits- early bull in unit 10, and deer in unit 13B. Unit 10- I hunted the BigBo, after spending 20 man days scouting and 200 miles of boots on the ground scouting. It was the best hunt I ever had. My son and I both got great bulls, and I met several guided hunters who had not even seen a good bull. It felt like I knew almost as much as the guides did (surely I didn't, but it felt like it). No game cameras anywhere. Unit 13- I spent 18 days scouting and hunting the unit. There were game camera "traffic jams" on every water hole. The guides knew every buck in the unit, and their runners were all over. It felt like any buck in the unit had snipers waiting for them. Just how it felt- not anywhere near the hunt I had hoped for. Honestly, for 90% of hunt units, I never thought game cameras were even a factor in the hunts. But in high trophy units with high-stakes guides in play, it sure seemed different.

Does anyone know exactly what the wording is or where to access it?

Wow- that buck has to be pushing 40. Sweeet....

You gotta love the Ed Hill lynched article to the left as well. Crazy times...

I don't shoot ARs, but maybe folks typically full length size those? That would reduce their life. I reload only for bolt actions- and do not full length size those once they are fire formed for my particular rifle, which increases brass life.