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    B&C vs. David Miller

    I have been following this on the other forums. I don't know David Miller but I have heard pros and cons about him. If he didn't do anything wrong and the broken tine was just an accident like he said it was then it is sad to see the whole issue get blown out of proportion, but if there was something sneaky going on then shame on D. Miller. B & C. did give him the opportunity to keep his animals in the book, subject to x-raying, but he chose to remove them. Knowone wins in these type of situations. Arizona Griz.
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    NEW WORLD RECORD P&Y COUES....

    I got to see and actually hold this rack. What a monster. I believe it was shot in the Patagonias. Arizona Griz.
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    Hunting in Mexico

    I hunted in Sonora a couple of years ago on a self guided hunt. We still had to go thru a Mexican Outfitter to obtain the deer tags and gun permits. Just make sure all of your paper work is in order (gun serial numbers, quantity of ammo. etc.). It took us about 4 hours to get across the border at Naco. We also ran into a Mexico Federal Gov't road block down close to the ranch we hunted on. None of them could speak english, that made it quite interesting. We also had the roadblock on the way out. Getting back across the border was much easier. Good luck. Arizona Griz.
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    So what did you put in for?

    I haven't put in for Mule Deer since 1979. This year it's Coues Dec. 36A, Nov. 36A, and Coues Oct. hunts. Arizona Griz.
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    Moisture in 36C?

    The area with the problem is on the south end of the unit about 5 miles north of the border and south of Kings Ranch. There is one main road that runs north and south and it IS heavely used by the illegals. There is trash everwhere. We spotted a group in March out in the flats while Javelina hunting and talked to one hunter who had them in his camp. We actually camped on the Buenos Aires Wildlife area. I would imagine most of the illegals would have disperesed before reaching Elkhorn Ranch. Again, I will say that we saw a lot of deer on the south end. Arizona Griz.
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    Moisture in 36C?

    I really don't know how much moisture the unit got but I was there in March and most of the water tanks had water in them including one creek on the south end of the unit. Incidently we saw a lot of Coues deer. I was going to put for this unit but the illegal aliens are a hastle to deal with especially when they venture into your camp while you are out hunting. Arizona Griz.
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    Albino Coues

    I too have never seen an albino or piebald any type of deer let alone Coues deer. I do know quite a few years ago some piebald deer were seen around the Crown King area. I am sure they were Mule deer since I don't think that there are to many Coues west of I-17. Arizona Griz.
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    Unit 23 concerns

    I haven't hunted 23 in a few years. A good way to measure the precipitation is check to see how full Roosevelt Lake is. Right after Christmas it was only about 9% full. After the rains we got in January and February and the small amount of snow melt off it has risen to only 30% full. I still believe the rain we got this spring didn't help that much. On another note, my friend archery hunts in the pines on the east side of 23 not to far from Roosevelt Lake and has not been wanting for deer to come by his tree stand. I think he just has a honey hole. Overall though, the deer must be hurting in 23 with the lack of rain. Arizona Griz.
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    Carmen vs. coues whitetail

    If you are going to shoot all the different sub-species of Mule Deer and White-tailed Deer you had better hurry up and get started. I checked a couple of my deer books and this is what I found. There are 30 different sub-species of White-tailed Deer in Central and North America of which 17 are found north of the mexican border. They are as follows: 1. Virginia 2. Bull's Island 3. Hilton Head Island 4. Blackbeard Island 5. Florida 6. Florida costal 7. Forida key 8. Kansas 9. Avery Island 10. Carmen Mountains 11. Texas 13. Coues 14. Columbian 15. Northwest 16. Dakota 17. Northern woodland There are 11 different sub-species of Mule Deer in North and Central America of which 8 are north of the mexican border. They are as follows: 1. Rocky Mountain 2. California 3. Southern 4. Inyo 5. Burro (some taxonomists do not recoginze these) 6. Desert 7. Columbian blacktail 8. Sitka blacktail Good luck with your dream. Arizona Griz.
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    Carmen vs. coues whitetail

    The biological law I was thinking of is "Allen's Rule", which states that among warm -blooded creatures the physical extremities - ears, tail, and legs - are shorter in the cooler part of their range than in the warmer parts. This rule is borne out by the Coues Deer, which has larger ears and tail compared to its body size than the northern white-tailed deer. Another biological law is "Bergmann's Rule" which states that the farther a geographic race is found north or south of the equator, the larger the mass of its body will be. The larger the body, the smaller is its relative surface area, resulting in a reduced loss of body heat. Conversely, the hotter the habitat is, the smaller the body and the larger its relative surface will be, allowing for greater heat dissipation. Arizona Griz.
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    Carmen vs. coues whitetail

    I think you are correct with the geographical assumption. There is an animal "law" that states, on the average, the farther you go north in the hemisphere the larger the animals become and smaller the ears for less heat dissapation or something like this. There are some very small subspecies of White-tailed Deer in Central America. All of the White-tailed Deer subspecies have the same genes. It does get interesting how zoologists seem to try to come up with as many different subspecies of a particular species of animal. How is that for rambling? On a different note did you know that there were about 5 or 6 different subspecies of Mule Deer in California? Arizona Griz.
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    Carmen vs. coues whitetail

    All white-tails are related since they are of the same species. I believe that there are 31 different sub-species of white-tails from North America thru South America will about 11 here in North America. Some of them are completely isolated from other sub-species (Coues, Carmen Mountain, and Key West) with others having an overlap in range. Arizona Griz.
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    Drought

    My personnal opinion is that the rain that we did get the first part of this year didn't really do anything. Arizona has been in a drought for at least 10 years. It would need to rain 20 inches a year for 10 straight years to get us out of this drought. Just take a look at the record low number of deer permits that will be available this year to give you a clue how bad it is here. The successful hunter will just have to continue to work harder and harder for their trophy. Arizona Griz.
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    Need Help!!

    If you are talking about Arizona then you are probably already aware that Coues deer are found from central to southern Arizona. You might want to get a copy of the Arizona Game Statistics book to check for odds for drawings. Any of the southern units (29 to 36) will work with most of them, if not all, having an early, middle and late season. Sorry I can't help you with New Mexico. Arizona Griz.
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    Which season for coues?

    I too agree with Red Rabbit. I prefer the December hunts (hunted one year in 6A in 8 inches of snow) because of the length and hope the deer will be in rut which lately hasn't been the case. I have hunted the October hunt and found it to be discouraging because of the short season. I usually put down a December hunt for first choice and a November hunt for second. Arizona Griz.
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    Best Smoke Poll?

    I have never had a desire to shoot a muzzleloader but I eventually want to get a black powder cartridge rifle gun. Probably a 45-120 or 50-140. I have always wanted to shoot a Sharps. Arizona Griz.
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    Unit 23?!?

    I think one of the reasons a lot of people like this unit is the diversity of Coues Deer habitat, from 7000ft. at the rim to 2500ft. at the desert floor along Roosevelt Lake and the fact that you can backpack into very isolated areas without having to much hunting pressure. I personally haven't hunted it for deer but a lot of my friends have with a great amount of success. Arizona Griz.
  18. I hunted in Sonora, Mexico in January 2001. We hunted on a private ranch and basically guided ourselves for seven days. The rancher allowed us to use his horses and one of his cowboys to lead us out to where we hunted all day. We saw a lot of deer with a high percentage of bucks. One of our hunters took a 111 B.&C. with the others being in the 90's. I had expected to see more larger bucks but the hunt was a great experience that I will never forget. My friends have since hunted the ranch the last two years and have shot respectible bucks but I am afraid the ranch just doesn't hold any monster bucks. I am now checking into a possible hunt for next year or the year after in the state of Chihuahua. Arizona Griz.
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    world record n/t coues

    It is very difficult to say. Until it is DNA tested I guess we will have to assume B & C has done their homework. Could very well be a hybrid. Arizona Griz.
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    Any older bow shooters?

    My two hunting bows are Darton Lightnings. Both of them are '92 or '93 versions. They are both set up alike. Specs. are 43in. axle to axle, 31in. draw length, set at 76lb., which is the bows max., 3in. overdraws, and I shoot a 2413 Easton X7 arrow with a 75gr. broadhead at 300ft./sec. I shoot both bows with a release. I like the bows because of the long axle length which provides for a very forgiving bow. Arizona Griz.
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    engraving in memory of...

    I too don't know of an engraver, but if you want to continue to shoot it I think that would be great. Take care of it and pass it along to one of your children when the time comes. Arizona Griz.
  22. I too believe the most effective method to taking a Coues Deer would be using a tree stand or ground blind. Obviously the most rewarding would be the spot and stalk method. But no matter which method is used or preferred, a Coues Deer taken with the bow and arrow is at the top of this hunters list as the best trophy animal. Arizona Griz.
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    what broadhead do you use?

    I use a 75gr. fixed three blade Wasp. I have yet to shoot a Coues Deer with a bow and arrow but I can say the Wasp did wonders on an Antelope last year. Arizona Griz.
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    Rifle caliber

    I hunt with a plain old Remington 700ADL in .270 caliber shooting a factory load 130gr. bullet, works fine for me. Arizona Griz.
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