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3 hours ago, 654321 said:Put your money where your mouth is and just do it, I haven't seen yet if it is a violation punishable by loss of hunting or fishing license or just a fine. Heck if it turns out it is just a fine and no loss of privileges just charge your clients a "camera" fee.
Actually I do not have clients!
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1 hour ago, Big or Bust said:Just curious - you sound as if you are fighting this due to the government's mishandling and dishonesty rather than the actual camera itself. If so, why is this the issue you have chosen to fall on your sword in today's world?
I love running my cameras and have friends that do also. This is the most unintrusive way to see and look at wildlife in their natural habitat and learn to understand the cylces of Nature.
I only started doing cameras in 2014 and do it every year with or without a tag and with or without a hunter.
That should not be illegal! Now if I have a tag or Im taking somebody I think 48 hours before hunt starts you cant check or your look at a camera in the unit your hunting and through the hunt is a good compromise. It still meets their supposedly fair chase narrative.
You cant legislate morals and ethics. But they sure are trying to.
They did it all wrong and they have continued down this pathway of we are the commission and nobody questions us and our decisions.
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2 hours ago, lancetkenyon said:Does your reading comprehension need work? Do you research before you comment? If so, I guess you're not a viable advocate then, only in your own mind.
But, for those that don't research (even though I said "I have not hunted big game": Yes, yes, no, no, no, yes. Yes, yes. Really no desire to hunt bears. Lions are just a tag in my wallet in case I see one. Javelina, no thanks. Fun to hunt, but I hate the taste no matter how many different ways I have tried to cook them.
I did read you very well . Just commenting about the reference to the Commissioner that hasnt hunted in 9.5 years.
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54 minutes ago, 654321 said:Sir Royal why don't you man up and next year run cameras where you plan to hunt, if you get caught since you believe it is unenforceable use that little go fund me account you have going and hire a lawyer, if you beat it in court maybe that will set a precedent that others can use and maybe the rule will be removed.
What a great idea! Hadn't thought of that! 🤣
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3 hours ago, knothead said:I enjoy running a few cameras and I will miss it but banning the cameras was the right thing to do.
Knothead, you need to think about what you just said. They could of just shut it down during a hunt where you held a tag or a guide has a client. It is pure Enjoyment that yes some have abused but now all must suffer. Next its Fish finders , then rangefinding Binos that gps where your game is. And long range muzzleloaders and Radios and cell phones . Little by little they take away privileges until your completely dependent on the State for answers of whats right and wrong. AZFGD states In many situations, Fair Chase is not something that is enforceable by law. Rather it should be guided by each person’s own ethical compass, which compels them to do the right thing when no one else is watching—even when doing the wrong thing is legal. This is on their own website.
This is a Movement by a commission that gags at gnats and swallows camels! Wake up you tone Deaf Hunters. Where do you draw the line? Go read their reasons for banning its not even justifiable. They are grasping for straws. Its crazy and all only opinion based.
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On 7/12/2021 at 2:18 AM, AZMONSTERBULL said:Thank You for the Trail Cam Ban!!!!! We appreciate the effort of the AZGFD Commission to implement a law that supports Fair Chase in Arizona!.... Sir Royal this article Nixon and yourself came up with sounds like a couple whiners that didn’t get their way.... Let’s get into the article a bit...In 2018 live cams were banned which was ok with you. Makes sense you would be ok with this, because you were still able to place your battery and solar cams at every water source.... In 2018 when it came to the rule on not allowing trail cams within a 1/4 mile from water you completely disagreed with that, because you said that’s where hunters use them. ...Well, that’s the main reason they’re now outlawed because most guides placed 10-15 cams on every water source! .....You mentioned it was wrong for the Commission to ask for a rule-making session because trail cams present a threat to public peace and safety....Overall I think the Commission highlighted the public peace and safety threat as well as Fair Chase throughout the process. The Fair Chase concerns with Trail cams alone were enough to lock this ban up, nothing else was even needed. I assume the commission didn’t explain it to your comprehension level when they voted 5-0 to ban them. ....Sir Royal/Nixon stated this trail cam ban is driven by one Commissioners opinion? That’s why we have five Commissioners that each vote. It is not one Commissioner forcing the others to vote against cams..lol! ....Sir Royal/Nixon you mention just because you have a picture of an animal doesn’t mean you are going to pattern let alone kill an animal.. Of course you might not pattern/harvest every animal your Trail Cam takes a picture of, but trail cams do significantly help your odds at locating, patterning and harvesting game. By not being present and in the field to locate and harvest game is directly against Fair Chase.
You dont even make sense. Your a good rambler. Everything you just said is just your opinion! We stated facts! But your an ostrich and have accepted a goverment agencies one size fits all and we know whats best for you even if you disagree by a huge majority. They love folks like you along with the US Humane society and Sierra Club. All in agreement with them. PATHETIC!!!!! More goverment control without a reasonable solution. It could have been done better.
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On 7/12/2021 at 12:49 PM, HuntHarder said:Wrong, that was Ron Nixon saying that.. that article was entertaining to read.
Doesn't look like it's helped Josiah's cause tho. His gofundhim has been stagnant.
Its what you dont see you should be worried about!!!!
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On 7/13/2021 at 2:58 AM, AZMONSTERBULL said:They won’t need to enforce this law, because hunters will take care of any cams left. Cameras won’t last long on water!
Yep Gonna make thieves out of once Honest people.
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On 7/14/2021 at 4:54 PM, lancetkenyon said:Whoa! I haven't hunted big game in AZ but TWICE in the last 10 years either. Mainly because I suck at drawing tags, but not hunting in AZ for 9.5 years is a very legitimate wait if you are trying to draw premium tags. My last elk tag took 18 years. I had 26 BPs for pronghorn and still struck out this year. Haven't had a deer tag since 2014.
So no hunting Coyotes or rabbits or lions or bears or javelina or quail ? No hunting camps helping others or your kids? If so well I guess your not a hunter then only in your mind.
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On 7/12/2021 at 8:46 PM, 654321 said:Send them an email and ask for yourself.
What you posted does not disprove anything Ron said. There is only one real hunter on the commission thats Todd Geiler.
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On 7/13/2021 at 10:30 AM, wetmule said:In the article Mr. Royal says he agreed with the commissioners on the ban of live action or cell cams that deliver images via a cell or satellite signal. With both style of cameras you don't have to be physically present in the field to find your target animal. One - you have to go check the camera & pull the card to look at your images. The other - you can sit in your office in Phoenix and look at your images in real time. Seems to me the less impactful, less game stressing type of camera would be the live action cell cam. You wouldn't have guys running in and out of waterholes all day long thus placing less stress on the game trying to water. The issue is the cameras themselves no matter what style they are. The camera is finding your game for you without you needing to be present, in the field.... or even in the same county or state. When you've found where the animal's refrigerator is, 90% of your work is done. Doesn't appear to be fair chase to me. If OP agrees with the ban of live view cams why would he not agree with the ban on passive cams.
There were 3 problem units is what we were told. The commisson penalized the whole state for those areas. One Size fits all they said.
We do not even have a problem, with not using them during your hunt or your buddies hunt your helping. I believe we could of had a better solution. Im running cameras now its a blast I get alot of data and info into wildview through the lense of a trail camera.
Next year we wont be able to run cameras even during non hunting times because any images you have and you share can and will be used against you . Especially if someone you know uses it as an aid to pursue or harvest the animal you have on camera. UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
It has nothing to do with Fair chase( its the excuse). it was a personal agenda picked up by Chairman Davis by promising the Folks over at the Legislature he would deal with the issue through the Commission.
The LIE ( Significant Public Health Safety Threat) without any research or any scientific research) never one time has been addressed by AZGFD or the Commissioners they have avoided it from day one! WHY?
They changed their narrative to Fair Chase . Interesting fact is Charles Podolak is retiring . He is the one who gave them permission to open rulemaking. Folks to much smoke here for there not to be a fire somewhere. That or your just flat out drinking the commissions kool-aid!
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On 7/12/2021 at 9:08 PM, idgaf said:After reading their bios I am curious if any of them actually hunt big game. I would love to see a requirement that a commissioner has to have his hunting license 25 consecutive years and has taken at least 6 big game animals.
Edit. Quick Google search Mr Davis is a lobbyists
Edit. Clay hernandez is a defense attorney @ bestlawyers.com
Yes, Todd Geiler is actually the only avid Hunter and a good Hunter!
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14 hours ago, AZMONSTERBULL said:They aren’t banned, but good luck trying to keep one on water. I think hunters with the same tag you draw will do a good job cleaning out any trail cams left behind. We all know trail cams are used to find game, with the hope of harvesting that animal during their hunt. With this rule in effect do you think a hunter who draws a tag is going to let guides set all their trail cams at all water sources just because they now claim to be a wildlife watcher? Nope I don’t think so...LOL! All it’s going to take is a couple $40 cordless metal cutting angle grinders to solve any so called wildlife watchers. The AZGFD knows they won’t have to control this issue going forward, hunters will be doing 99% of it for them. Great win for all hunters, not so much for all that relied on trail cams to do their scouting for them.
You are correct the commission has given the public a license to steal! But I guess there will be a lot more prosecutions of theft by the sheriffs dept.
How are they gonna prove that a person is targeting a certain bull until that bull is dead and if you didnt kill it then they have to connect the dots to prove whether you were involved with the aid or take of that animal.
Its an unenforceable rule based up on THE LIE!
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On 6/19/2021 at 7:51 AM, creed said:One other thing......many cattle ranches have huge chunks of state trust land. That is not public land as a lot of guys think it is.
Sorry for getting off topic. I think the trail camera issue is absurd and unenforceable. There should have been an outright ban or a season.
There is an outright ban but its only tied to aid and take. So you and your buddies that hunt can still put up cameras just cant share or kill the animal you find on camera forever! Dumbest thing I ever heard.
The non hunting public can run trail cams all yearlong ! Wonder if they will share their pics on social media? Dont kill an animal they post or you could be cited and they could be cited also.
There is so many unintended consequences to this ban. They could have done much better
But when its an agenda driven ban by Chairman Commissioner Davis nobody thought it through.
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On 6/17/2021 at 4:54 PM, AZtroutman said:$50,000 of everyone's money gonna be wasted because Josiah Scott is nuts. Eric English is loving it though.
Your way behind the times! Lol.
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I did not see the collusion just the results of collusion.
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9 hours ago, Desertguide said:Yeah let's impune the integrity of a commissioner with no evidence. That will bear great fruit. You sound a little like the guys I mentioned in my long post.
Were you at the meeting? There was collusion! I saw it with my own Eyes snd ears .
How did all 5 commissioners switch from voting for Option 2 to A full ban on Option 1.
Todd Geiler and Larry Phoenix had a pow pow a few days before the vote. Todd was informed that if they vote for option 2 it would open them up to more vulnerablity because you could still use a trail camera during a bear hunt and that would prove their fair chase stance was not valid! Ding Ding! Out of Geilers own lips.
Geiler called or emailed all the commisioners and had them switch their votes. Collusion!!!!!
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1 minute ago, AZtroutman said:I like the rebel spirit
It is not Sir! Not a rebel. Its standing against corruption in high places . They could have chosen to do some actually scientific research then come to the table with some reasonable proposals. We would have listened.
There is always more options.
But Chairman Davis had to get it done friday because this was his last meeting as chairman. It actually changed to Bill Brake that afternoon.
Rarely when it starts out wrong does it end up right.
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1 hour ago, AZtroutman said:14. When are you going to put your cameras up for sale and for how much?
Actually I'm buying , let me know what you have?
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On 6/11/2021 at 2:50 PM, lancetkenyon said:To me, this will be all but unenforceable. A waste of time. It needed to be black or white. This is as grey as you can get.
I have said that from day one! I'm pumped and ready to flex some muscle! Here is why?
1. It start wrong with THE LIE. THE SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC SAFETY THREAT.
2. We applied pressure so they changed there narrative to fair chase.
3. Every single commissioner that did podcasts and or public out reach never one time brought up the LIE.
4. This was an agenda driven by the minority with prejudices against trail cams with in the CANCEL CULTURE hunting community and with in the dept and with in the commission chaired by Chairman Davis. By the way Bill Brake is now the chairman.
5. This was not a well thought out solution to anything all it did was create a quagmire!
6. Come on gentlemen since when does goverment know how to fix anything?
7. They listed 9 sorry excuses for the ban. Go read them you will laugh too!
8. They have no Scientific evidence to back up a single claim!
9. The only evidence they have is there own public comments . Which they did twice and each time hunters overwhelming were against this ban. They ignored what the majority of their constituents wanted and catered to the prejudices of the minority. Sound familiar?
10. This commission meeting Friday was nothing but a dog and pony show here is why. We were allowed to make public comments before the vote. At the vote time each commissioner read their pre prepared statements of how they would vote and every single one knew not to vote for Option 2 but vote for Option 1.
11. I thought they would at least consider what was said that day to them . Their minds were already made up . I thought the Commissioners would vote from the integrity of their hearts not by the COLLUSION of 5 .
12. I realized the AZ Commissioners and Azgfd had taken the innocence of photography thru the lense of a trail camera and allowed the cancel culture hunting community to buy into their progressive agenda. When Peta and Sierra Club and the US Humane Society agree with the Commissioners we got a problem.
13. I was amazed by their abuse of Power. Everyone of them should resign now starting with Commissioner Davis and then Commissioner Geiler and on down. Shame on every one of them ! Power without Character is evil and dangerous!
This is not the end!
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On 3/21/2021 at 10:37 AM, HuntHarder said: -
4 hours ago, HuntHarder said:Great post, I agree with about all of it. Im ok with reducing our technology tho. Trail cameras being a good start. Hard line stances and false statements get us nowhere.. Anyone who uses a trail camera should admit they make hunting and scouting easier. So does a bunch of other shitt we use. Waaay better stand to take than what Josiah is. Like I've said before, he is not smart enough to lead the anti ban. Too much emotion involved in his responses and little thought. Too easy to refute every one of his arguments. If he was smart he'd sit back and let someone else take the reigns online. Stay behind the scenes.
You actually wrong about Josiah! He explains pretty clearly in laymen terms! I know there is many on here that understand better because I get the pm's.
You Sir, can only wish you were as bold I am. 😁
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4 hours ago, trphyhntr said:the nazis used kids.
Lol! 😂
TRAIL CAM BAN UPDATE 3/17/21
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Actually You just private messaged me yesterday. I do not visit this site anymore.
A friend just told me this morning about your negative innuendo.
To those of you that did donate , we have never stopped working on this. I have all the records and attorneys names of whom we paid. Sometimes you have to just keep working without revealing all you know until you do know.