Big Tub

Don't let it extend beyond the end of the buffer tube. I like this idea.

You may want to take that down before someone quotes it and you cannot. Actually, it's an AOW but still an NFA item, I think. Add a Vertical Fore Grip to a Handgun (atf.gov)

If the brace is absent (and legal), it is just a pistol and no longer a braced pistol. BTW: I think he meant vertical foregrip. As near as I can interpret, the pistol without the actual brace, that evil device, is OK to HAM hunt. Well, until the next re-interpretation.

Actually, the ATF has ruled that all braced pistols are now SBRs and, consequently, they would not be eligible for the HAM hunt.

A more interesting question would be: Will AZGFD give a straight answer as to whether these are legal without or with the brace?

AMEN !!!

Here's a pretty good review (albeit a bit long) of the fiasco with the ATF -- they are one messed up mis-organization. Pew Pew Review

It is a "stock-like" (my words) projection off the AR-15 buffer tube that allows one to hold and shoot the gun like a pistol. Pistol means the barrel is less than 16". It was intended to assist handicapped individuals (many of them Vets). This interpretation of the pistol/short barrel rifle (SBR) controversy came about during the Obama/Biden administration (I think), which makes this "OOPS, we messed up" thing so frustrating. The brace is supposed to help steady the gun on the arm and not shouldered like a rifle. I think it was an imaginative way around the SBR laws so you did not have to register the gun and pay for the tax stamp if you own a gun with less than a 16" barrel. The braces do make the firearm very easy to shoulder, though. Curtis: thank you for your insight. Do you think the limitations of having the tax stamp (no sell/transfer/transport across state lines) are difficult to live with?

The SBR is only allowed if you have the NFA registration and tax stamp. Without that, they are illegal. For previous SBRs, you had to have that in place before you bought or built the SBR. For the braced pistols,iIf you put in for the stamp, the Feds will supposedly cut you slack till they approve (or deny) you -- which may be months/years. For Arizona, now that you have put in for that stamp and waiver for the $200, you have admitted you have that "illegal SBR" and relying on the good graces of the local/state law enforcement to ignore the state laws? Did you see which governor was elected? You are absolutely correct that this is all fishy and it really is starting to reek. Read the laws themselves and see if you think this is just fear mongering. Potentially, making people that own 40 million of these braced pistols felons by reversing a previous interpretation should concern everyone, and not just those that own these braced pistols. And thinking that the courts will fix this by the end of the 120 "Grace Period" may be even more naive.

A friend sent me this. BAD stuff for AZ. If you register your braced pistol to bring it into compliance with Federal Law, you may be in NONCOMPLIANCE to AZ law.

I have just recently got into it including getting the license. Just simplex so far. What radio did you get? So much to learn.

Are you down pig hunting? I want to see you shoot a 300 win mag from a pistol -- be sure and video.

Check your PM's

And yet again.

The brace taken off and put elsewhere was what came up on the webinar. Of course, their interpretation can change which is what is causing this huge mess.

They sure were prolific!

I found out this is not the same for the 870 ... oh well.

THAT IS BEAUTIOUS!

I got one on Amazon for less than $20 -- might be worth a look. So many knock-off.

So how much did that rug cost?

OBCO? Or Best Closest Offer? sorry ... I ancient. Also which side of town?

Congrats! Nonstinky, though??? Alergy issues? Nose so full of stink from other pig? COVID? Somehow, I am skeptical on that part.

so why was his face such a mess?

How can a SxS be left-handed?

How much does that stand weigh? Looks beefy!