thank for the input on the camera land guy I am a little gun shy on buying over the internet after an ebay disaster on a leica. Also i will look at the nikons first. There aare alot more reasonably priced . thanks again. PS went to yesterday and seen two nice bears. we called in on and couildnt get a shot do to the thick brush, and glassed another at couple thousand yards at dark.. Going back out this weekend to try to tag one.