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On 9/28/2021 at 6:19 AM, PRDATR said:

Interesting. I'm 69 and have been using computers and been online for over 30 years.

 

Watching porn doesn’t count

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5 hours ago, HuntHarder said:

Quit moving the goal posts!   Online is online. lmfao

So, I can call it research?

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On 8/29/2021 at 3:24 PM, Flatlander said:

For those who are interested, the dealines for submitting recommendations for the 2023 - 2028 hunt guidelines closes on Wednesday 9/1. I finally finished typing up a number of recommendations I have been considering for the past 18 months. Feel free to read what I submitted in the attached file. I'd be interested to see what others think of my suggestions. Keep in mind that many of them propose changes to the actual AAC and can't just be changed through hunt guidelines. If there is something that has been on your mind, now ithe time to speak up and let the department hear your voice.

AG Hunt Guideline Recommendations 2021.docx

I agree with the mandatory reporting, that is the most important change that needs to happen.  I am not sure about your suggestion to not allow hunting over water.  That is a very slippery slope ( no pun intended) as this year hunting over water in most all Coues units was a terrible strategy due to all of the rain the monsoon brought us.  The Archery OTC tag process needs to change, I agree with that completely.  

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Thank you Andrew for your interest and submitting recommendations for the 2023-2028 hunt guidelines. I read all your recommendations. You definitely have a lot of good points, but with all due respect, I believe we have to be careful recommending some things because somethings usually never are reinstated once taken away. I’m referring to just a few things.

1. Eliminating crossbows as allowable archery equipment isn’t something I would recommend but I’m ok with tightening requirements for obtaining a crossbow.

2. I’m not in favor of restricting hunting over manmade water.

3. I wouldn’t recommend reducing archery elk season to 1 week.

Like I said, once taken away, usually we never get reinstated what we’ve lost.

Just my humble opinion. 

TJ🙂

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10 minutes ago, tjhunt2 said:

Thank you Andrew for your interest and submitting recommendations for the 2023-2028 hunt guidelines. I read all your recommendations. You definitely have a lot of good points, but with all due respect, I believe we have to be careful recommending some things because somethings usually never are reinstated once taken away. I’m referring to just a few things.

1. Eliminating crossbows as allowable archery equipment isn’t something I would recommend but I’m ok with tightening requirements for obtaining a crossbow.

2. I’m not in favor of restricting hunting over manmade water.

3. I wouldn’t recommend reducing archery elk season to 1 week.

Like I said, once taken away, usually we never get reinstated what we’ve lost.

Just my humble opinion. 

TJ🙂

Ur inbox is full TJ

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11 minutes ago, AZBIG10 said:

Ur inbox is full TJ

Thanks, taken care of!

TJ🙂

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Crossguns during an archery hunt should only be allowed once due to an injury or disability.  After that, choose a different weapon type hunt.  It is perfectly legal to hunt with a crossbow during rifle hunts if you are dead set on hunting with a crossgun.  I have hunted gun hunts with my bow and arrow.  It can be done.  Many of the gun hunts have better draw odds than bow hunts.

Are we going to allow guys to drive their utv off road and through the woods and hunt because they are too old or physically unable to get around like they used to?

In my 58 years of life I can count all the bow hunters I have known who have never gun hunted on one hand.  Maybe even three fingers.  Now all of a sudden they can't hunt with a gun because their body starts to break down?  

If you only want to hunt during an archery season then lower the poundage down to the lowest legal poundage or learn to shoot with with opposite hand.

My two cents.

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5 hours ago, knothead said:

 

If you only want to hunt during an archery season then lower the poundage down to the lowest legal poundage or learn to shoot with with opposite hand.

My two cents.

So what do you suggest when it has nothing to do with how much poundage but becomes an issue with the ability to hold a bow?  5 years ago I blew out two of the four rotator cuff tendons in my left shoulder. They were beyond repair due to a number of things. My ability to hold a bow has deteriorated to where I can no longer shoot a pie plate size group at 50 yards. So the solution is to hunt with a rifle? Not many rifle January mule deer hunts that I am aware of. I am not going to stay at home because someone thinks I shouldn’t be using am Xbow. As to hunting during rifle hunts…..knock yourself out but I have bow hunted the last 35 years. I have no plans to start rifle hunting or hunt during a rifle season now.  Besides, the rifle guys have an unfair advantage. They have better technology and can shoot farther and more accurately.  Sound familiar?

I have never hunted with a crossbow. But if it means it will allow me to hunt during Dec/Jan instead of sitting at home one is in my future.  And I don’t really care who does or doesn’t like it. It’s legal and I have a legitimate injury. I don’t have to justify it to anyone. 

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Crossguns during an archery hunt should only be allowed once due to an injury or disability.  

This is already the case.  You need a medical form filled out by a Dr. and a crossbow permit approved by AZGFD.

If you only want to hunt during an archery season then lower the poundage down to the lowest legal poundage or learn to shoot with with opposite hand.

My two cents.

Neck and back injuries can cause bilateral weakness ( both arms or hands ).  There is a long list of diseases and disorders that can cause problems with both arms and/or hands.    

Ignorant comments regarding disabilities have no place here.  

 

 

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3 hours ago, savagman said:

Crossguns during an archery hunt should only be allowed once due to an injury or disability.  

This is already the case.  You need a medical form filled out by a Dr. and a crossbow permit approved by AZGFD.

If you only want to hunt during an archery season then lower the poundage down to the lowest legal poundage or learn to shoot with with opposite hand.

My two cents.

Neck and back injuries can cause bilateral weakness ( both arms or hands ).  There is a long list of diseases and disorders that can cause problems with both arms and/or hands.    

Ignorant comments regarding disabilities have no place here.  

 

 

Easy with the ignorant comments part.  Guy has an opinion.  Is he not allowed to have it without you telling him he's ignorant?  

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I understand disabilities, etc., and sympathize with those who REALLY have a one.  However, once you’re officially deemed permanently disabled and can no longer draw a bow, then it’s time to choose another weapon/season…..or a CHAMP type hunt. Crossguns are not a bow and arrow and should not be allowed in the archery seasons, IMO.  Just as muzzleloaders, pistols, and shotguns are not a bow and arrow and should not be allowed in the archery seasons.  Perhaps it’s time they create a HAM season where crossgunners can hunt?  
 

Earlier this year I saw a ‘disabled’ crossgunner literally running down a ridge to try and intercept a deer……hiked his way back to his side by side, lifted a heavy ice chest from the back, and sat there enjoying a beverage.  It’s time to redefine who can actually use a crossgun and what season it truly belongs in.  Again, just my opinion.  
 

Just because you have a disability doesn’t always mean you cannot shoot a bow, right?  (Photo). 

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56 minutes ago, BOHNTR said:

  Perhaps it’s time they create a HAM season where crossgunners can hunt?  
 

I thought crossbows had always been legal for a HAM hunt regardless of any disability. 

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