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WHY I WON'T GO TO MEXICO

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I will be going to Ensenada April 9th. If I stop posting, you will know why!!!! No Amanda didn't cut me off.

 

The fish tacos are to die for!!!! :lol:

 

Hopefully my brother a LA homicide detective can help keep us out of danger.

 

I love it down there but you are right it is a very dangerous place and is what sucks is you can not take a gun with you.

 

 

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My experience in Mexico has always been great. I have been going to Sonora for over ten years without a single incident. I think the Southern AZ units near the border are a much worse place(as far as violence, drug running and illegal type activity) to be hunting than in Mexico. As long as you don't get off of the beaten path and travel at smart times I think the violence is over dramatized. There are much worse places to be in parts of Phoenix, Tucson, Vegas, LA, San Diego, Detroit etc than Sonora, Mexico IMO. I do think they are times and places you shouldn't be in Mexico that could be a problem but if you stay in your vehicle and on the main road I think you are as safe as anywhere. I have found the Mexican people to be some of the most friendly in the whole world. Just my two cents. I am with Coues Sniper on this one though. And yes the fish tacos are to die for as well as carne asada. Happy Trails!!

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According to the FBI that is about the same number of people murdered in the US every year (not every 3 years as your statistic was).

 

I wonder what the per capita ratio is? I imagine the murder rate is still higher in Mexico.

 

Amanda

 

 

459 per month average is a lot better than the US avg - still pretty scary....... but I still will go fishing in Mexico this May

 

2006 – 2008 US total murders 74,405 for an average 2066.8 murders per month

 

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm

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The Mexico number given was for drug-related murders. What is the number of US drug-related killings (not overall total of all murders)?

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For a sense of sobering perspactive:

 

The number of live births in the US in 2005 was 4,138,349.

The number of abortions in the US in 2005 was 1,206,200.

 

Seems that being an unborn in the US is about as dangerous as it gets. 1 out of 5 will be killed.

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The Mexico number given was for drug-related murders. What is the number of US drug-related killings (not overall total of all murders)?

 

 

Cannot find any separate stats of US murders (can't spend too much time - at work) but would imagine no less than 1/3 of the total deaths if not more in the US are drug related. Not sure - just a guess.

 

Scary places in both countries – still love Mexico and will continue to travel there until I have a bad experience or get shot :o

 

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A friend of mine just got back from Mexico this weekend. He was born and raised there and has now become a citizen of the US he said that it is so bad there that they cannot find anybody to watch their livestock up in the mountains anymore because they all work for drug cartels. He also said that with all of the runoff from this winter that all of the pot seeds that were planted in the mountains have washed down stream and that the banks of the river in his town are knee deep in pot. In his town in the last ten day there have been 10 people killed out of a town of maybe 500 to 1000. The police are sacred to wear their uniforms and the cartels have started painting their vehicles to look like police so you now do not know who is really stoping you. Scary stuff and not that far from us.

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For a sense of sobering perspactive:

 

The number of live births in the US in 2005 was 4,138,349.

The number of abortions in the US in 2005 was 1,206,200.

 

Seems that being an unborn in the US is about as dangerous as it gets. 1 out of 5 will be killed.

 

 

Now that was spot on! 20% of Americans get killed before they are born?

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For a sense of sobering perspactive:

 

The number of live births in the US in 2005 was 4,138,349.

The number of abortions in the US in 2005 was 1,206,200.

 

Seems that being an unborn in the US is about as dangerous as it gets. 1 out of 5 will be killed.

 

 

Now that was spot on! 20% of Americans get killed before they are born?

 

 

It's called being "progressive". ;)

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For a sense of sobering perspactive:

 

The number of live births in the US in 2005 was 4,138,349.

The number of abortions in the US in 2005 was 1,206,200.

 

Seems that being an unborn in the US is about as dangerous as it gets. 1 out of 5 will be killed.

 

 

Now that was spot on! 20% of Americans get killed before they are born?

 

 

It's called being "progressive". ;)

 

 

Oh, kinda like wildlife management- we're just culling the herds so as not to exceed the carrying capacity of the land?

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Sr. Bill, you used to love Mexico, what happened? did you had a bad experience? I know you used to go to Caborca a lot.

 

I know the problem is bad but, here is what I notice.......before we used to say -"oh man Mexico is bad and dangerous lots of drugs and drug dealers and the mexican goberment does nothing to stoped"

 

Now that finally President Calderon declared war against the drug cartels we say - "oh man look all those killings, fights between drug cartels and goberment etc etc"

 

First we were complaining that the mexican goberment was doing nothing and now that is doing something we still complaining......... :blink: maybe he (President Calderon) should have closed his eyes like the others and do nothing?

 

I wish we just stop buying all that drug from Colombia and Mexico but as long we keep buying and asking for more.........you can complete the sentence.

 

I completly agree with Tim (TAM) and Coues Sniper, lets see if this coming season with lots of empty ranches and no hunters, I get to bring home a 110; yes 110...I'm not asking for to much.

 

Ernesto C

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I know lots of folks that go down to RP on a regular basis... No Problems!

 

I know lots of guys that hunt across the border Every year... and go across to scout alot... No Problems!

 

The only problems are when folks go places they probably wouldn't/shouldn't go here.... Example... 11th Ave and Roosevelt, Phx, Az.... :blink: :unsure: :lol: A White Boy like me has a better chance in Mexico than I do down there so I don't go to S. Phx.... (unless I am with one of my Cop buddies) ;) ....Period!! Difference is that here our law inforcement is handcuffed by PC BS!!! If the Drug dealers were shot on site on BOTH side of the Border we might save some of these kids from ever seeing the drugs.... Just a thought...

 

I'll go to Mexico... and have no more fear than I do driving around in Phx..... ;)

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I spend a lot of time in mexico with my family, We go through Caborca to get to puerto lobos, Where we have our place. We have a lot of great friends in Caborca, which is comforting to know , I have someone to help me out if I have any problems. I have noticed over the last few years , the agents at the different checkpoints have been great, not bothering us at all. It may be helpful that I speak spanish. Of coarse Mexico can be dangerous, But just like anywhere use common sense , the cartels do not target tourists. But there is always the exception. My good friend Martin Leon owns a great hunting ranch between Caborca and puerto lobos Its called rancho candelaria. We took a few pictures of some of his personal trophies at his office in caborca.

All of the coues and mule deer came off his ranch. The last picture is a marco polo sheep. His trophy room is amazing.

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I've had NO PROBLEMS for 12 years in Mexico!!! In fact with the new "HASSLE FREE ZONE" it seems to be considerably easier! I'm in Mexico at least once a month scouting ranches and buying antlers. My thoughts on the war on drugs in Mexico: they KILL people! In the united States they arrest them! What are your thoughts? Seems pretty simple to me! The Mexican military, and police/federallies are very welcoming, and want the American hunter.

 

Have you walked up on drug runners sleeping in the shade in the U.S. with machine guns in the middle of the day while looking for shed antlers in one of your favorite spots??? I HAVE!!!

 

Where is the danger? I choose to live free of fear! Danger could be anywhere!

 

Jim Reynolds

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MICHAEL WEBSTER: INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER. Sunday Oct 19, 2008 at 2:30 PM PDT

 

 

Drug trafficking and terror has become a way of life in Mexico. U.S. Mexican border cities from Brownsville Texas to San Diego California continue to be most affected by cartel-related violence; other U.S. cities are also being targeted with drug trafficking violence and related terror. Mexican drug cartel gangs and their surrogate's terror is reaching deep into the states.

 

 

The recent home invitation robbery and kidnapping of a young 6 year old American boy in Las Vegas Nevada is a in our face example of what is happening right here in our own neighborhoods.

 

The Las Vegas recovered ( lucky to be alive) kidnapped boy's Grandfather is a known drug dealer and is believed by authorities to be involved with Mexican drug cartels and other underworld figures in a drug trafficking operation that covers the entire Southwestern United States.

 

Just recently in El Paso Texas just across the border from Juarez Mexico one of the most dangerous and deadly places on earth several law enforcement agencies led by ATF and the FBI are investigating a "possible car bomb" that injured a woman on Friday morning and rocked a middle-class neighborhood in West El Paso.

 

Shelby County Alabama in a Birmingham suburb, authorities released few details in the case of five men who were found slain in an apartment. They say the men appear to have been bound with duct tape and their throats were slashed. Very similar to known tactic's used by Mexican drug cartel gangs and their American gang surrogates. These ruthless drug gangs according to DEA operative who wants to remain anonymous says, "investigators close to the Shelby county murders of five Mexican males was carried out by Mexican drug gangs or their surrogates and is very likely related to drugs and cash.

 

"DEA agents say that the cartels' incursions into the United States are spurring more secondary crimes, such as shootings, kidnapping, and murders. These terrorist type assassinations are demonstrating the dangerous reach of the Mexican drug cartels and how it now goes very deep into Middle America and are reported to be killing, robbing, torturing, kidnapping, and threatening Americans and others at an alarming rate.

 

These gang members are known to be attacking Americans all over the U.S. Recently it came to light that a gang operation of this type was uncovered operating on the east coast from New York to Florida robbing known drug dealers of both their drugs and cash. These attacks were pulled off all up and down the East Coast, federal investigators said. Investigators said the suspects used terrorist tactics of simulated drowning techniques as well as pliers applied to the male victim's genitals to learn where and when millions in cash and drugs shipments were being made.

 

Police say this type of crime is happening on both sides of the U.S Mexican border. Mexican drug cartels through their segregate organizations control the lucrative methamphetamine trade, as the arrival of purer Mexican ice methamphetamine has replaced locally produced powder meth, according to the US Department of Justice.

 

In Florida a horrifying story describes a little girl who, after being taken to the Florida panhandle from Mexico, resisted while being raped, and was subsequently made an example of, by being beheaded in front of other girls who were being held to be raped. The girls then were made to watch by being left in the room with the little girl's headless body for several hours.

 

Atlanta has become the latest battleground for Mexican drug cartels. "Their idea is to control the whole economic process of production and distribution," said Georgina Sanchez, an independent security consultant in Mexico and executive director of a public safety policy institute. In many areas of the United States the cartels have entered into partnerships with local gangs, in others they have directly assumed control of local drug distribution, analysts say.

 

Gwinnett County, Georgia, where Atlanta is located is over 1,000 miles from our U.S. - Mexico border. They have already had nine drug-related kidnappings this year. DEA agents raided a home and charged three men, all illegal aliens, with kidnapping and conspiracy to distribute cocaine after finding that they had bound and chained the victim to a wall in a basement in the town of Lilburn and beat him for nearly a week in an effort to collect $300,000 in drug debt.

 

 

The biggest worry for U.S. citizens and the big concern for local law enforcement groups is that the cartels bring with them violent methods honed during furious cartel wars in Mexico that have left thousands dead already this year. In recent years, Mexican drug violence has reached new heights, with beheadings, videotaped executions broadcast on the Internet, and the targeting and killings of top Mexican law enforcement officials.

 

We're seeing younger individuals being deployed by Mexican cartel leadership up into the United States to work for these cartels. Google or click on: Mexican drug cartels infiltrating colleges and high school campuses in America.

 

Gwinnett D.A. said this is not a blip. This is significant in what's going on here. U.S. Attorney for the northern part of Georgia said, we are about to see the extreme violence that is happening south of the border happen here in America. It's more violent there than it is in Baghdad or Afghanistan. They're beheading people said Benson.

 

 

Mexican cartel Los Zetas paramilitary surrogates allegedly attacked and slaughtered an American in Phoenix Ariz. Police say the attackers were dressed in black military like combat uniforms very similar to known Mexican cartel paramilitary gangs.

 

Phoenix papers reported that 6 Mexicans killed a Phoenix man who was found dead by police in a local neighborhood home riddled with more than 100 bullets. Google or click on: They're known as "Los Zetas, we have seen an increasing amount of these types of violent crimes in the past five months," Phoenix Police Sgt. Joel Tranter said. "We want the public to realize that these types of crimes will not be tolerated in Phoenix." These men each wore tactical clothing and Kevlar helmets and other weapons were found in the vehicle. Police believe the hit was drug-related and are looking for three more suspects in the case.

 

Federal, State and Local law enforcement officers believe there are many more violent crimes being committed here in the states by drug related Mexican drug cartels and their surrogates and Americans are only hearing about a very few. But as a DEA official said recently, "I feel this is but the beginning and that the dangers of the menus [sEC] of the Mexican drug organizations is something America will be dealing with for a long time to come."

 

 

Ensenada continues to be a haven for "black commandos", with the blessings of Ensenada. One of the most corrupt municipalities in all of Central America. The political area of Ensenada is huge, its runs from Rosarito to G. Negro of Baja Sur. All of the Western drug channels into the United States run through Ensenada.

 

In the last year, thousands of people have been kidnapped, killed and maimed. Tons of drugs confiscated and thousands of bad-guys bagged and killed. Narco-warfare has broken out throughout north-western Mexico. Ensenada remains a haven for violent drug gangs and corrupt police.

 

Until Ensenada and the State of Baja California legal structure are clean of violent criminals, going to a baja race for international travellers is to risky. Even the Vildosola racing team is selling its trophy truck and out of racing, because of the threat of crime on their family. Now, phone threats to prominent and visible families are common.

 

Even the DAKAR organization considered racing in Baja and passed. Passed on Baja Norte and Baja Sur. Mexico is now considered more violent than Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

Thousands of Mexican families have moved to the United States for protection.

 

If you go, say a prayer and take precautions. Good Luck.

 

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