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Returning tag for reinstatement of bonus points

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It's getting better and better. Now the guys that can pay more for higher membership levels are the ones that are gonna get the tags? Unbelievable.

And you complain being a "guide"?

Heck sounds like tons more business for you guys. Win win

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From what I have been able to gather , It has always been being sold as this tie in with Portal and paid membership of some kind , but it seems making it work they way they envisioned is not going to be easy or practical at this time so they are running with the tag surrender by allowing an option per app per applicant , which was never part of the discussion from what I have heard. Maybe the all knowing guys that went to all the meetings can tell us when it went from some kind of membership to an application option and why it was not communicated to the simple folk .

 

AzElkhunter2 I am sure you can explain the memberships and how this is all going to work and how tag surrender is a part of that program as stated , since it seems clear that it was all laid out clearly for you just as it is written in their supposed communications.

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It's getting better and better. Now the guys that can pay more for higher membership levels are the ones that are gonna get the tags? Unbelievable.

And you complain being a "guide"?

Heck sounds like tons more business for you guys. Win win

 

Wondering what kind of Bonuses Guides will be throwing to their lackeys with High Bonus points to go second on an app and surrender , waiting another year to go hunting ... I am sure some will be working every angle.

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It's getting better and better. Now the guys that can pay more for higher membership levels are the ones that are gonna get the tags? Unbelievable.

And you complain being a "guide"?

Heck sounds like tons more business for you guys. Win win

 

Wondering what kind of Bonuses Guides will be throwing to their lackeys with High Bonus points to go second on an app and surrender , waiting another year to go hunting ... I am sure some will be working every angle.

 

Not sure. Exactly why i don't hunt just AZ. Worth the time and money to try other states

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Being a guide and getting more business from this deal is the last thing on my mind. I'd rather take the average Joe who saved up to go on the hunt than take a rich guy who doesn't appreciate the tag.

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That's good to hear Blake. Wish you all the best in the coming year

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So if A guy is sitting on 10 deer points and pulls a late dec tag but shoots a deer during the August OTC tag he can just surrender his tag?

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purchase/enrollment online-only to ensure immediate access to member benefits and to enable the Department to link the person's membership with their Department record, when one exists. The proposed rule limits the tag surrender program to a person who has a valid and active membership in a Department membership program; "valid and active membership" as defined in the proposed rule means a paid and unexpired membership in any level of the Department's membership program. The proposed rule requires a person wishing to participate in tag surrender to submit a valid application and surrender the unused, original hunt permit-tag prior to the close of business the day before the hunt begins. One of the most common comments submitted by the public related to the ability for a person to "game" the tag surrender program. For example, a person with a high number of bonus points could offer to apply with other person(s), for a fee, in order to increase the other person(s) odds of being drawn for a valued hunt permit-tag, then the person could surrender their tag, have their bonus points restored, and then repeat the process in the next computer draw offered by the Department. To prevent this from happening, the proposed rule establishes that a person is only eligible to surrender a tag for a specific species once before the bonus points accrued for that species must be expended. The proposed rule also limits the number of tags a person may surrender based on the person's membership level. The proposed rule requires the Department to restore the bonus points expended for the surrendered tag and award any bonus points the person would have accrued had the person been unsuccessful in the computer draw for that surrendered tag. The proposed rule specifies the Department will not refund any fees paid for the surrendered tag, as prohibited under A.R.S. § 17-332(E). The proposed rule also enables the Department to re-issue or destroy the surrendered tag. The Department will base the decision to re-issue or destroy the surrendered tag using specific criteria, such as but not limited to the proximity to the start date of the hunt for which the tag is valid, the type of tag, and whether the tag is for a high demand hunt. The Commission proposes to re-issue a surrendered tag using any one or more of the following methods (in no particular order): 1) Offer the surrendered tag, beginning with the highest membership level in the Departments membership program, to a person who would have been next to receive a tag for that hunt number, as evidenced by the random numbers assigned during the Department's computer draw process. The person must possess or purchase a valid license in order to be eligible to purchase the surrendered tag. If the person is not interested in purchasing the surrendered tag or is not eligible because the person has already met the annual or lifetime bag limit for that genus, the tag would be offered to the next person within that membership level in the Departments membership program who would have been next to receive a tag for that hunt number, as evidenced by the random numbers assigned during the Department's computer draw process, and so on. 2) Offer the surrendered tag to a person who has a valid and active membership in any tier of the Departments membership program which contained a tag surrender option and would have been next to receive a tag for that hunt number, as evidenced by the random numbers assigned during the Department's computer draw process. The same limitations and requirements that apply to method #1 will apply to this method. 3) Offer the surrendered tag to an eligible person who would have been next to receive a tag, as evidenced by the random numbers assigned during the Department's computer draw process. The same limitations and requirements that apply to method 1 will apply to this method. 4) Offering the surrendered tag through the first-come, first-served process. For group applications where one or more members of the group is qualified under the particular method for re-issuing the surrendered tag, the Commission proposes to offer the surrendered tag first to the applicant designated "A," if eligible to receive the surrendered tag. If applicant "A" chooses not to purchase the surrendered tag or is not eligible, the Department will offer the surrendered tag to the applicant designated "B" if qualified to receive a surrendered tag. This process shall continue with applicants "C" and then "D" until the surrendered tag is either purchased or all qualified members of the group application choose not to purchase the surrendered tag. The proposed rule specifies that a person purchasing the surrendered tag shall expend all bonus points accrued for that genus, except for any accrued Hunter Education and loyalty bonus points. The proposed rule also allows for an exemption if the effective date of the rule occurs after January 2016 since tag surrender is tied to deadline day for each computer draw and the computer draw deadline may occur before the effective date of this rule. The Commission is concerned that a person who is successful in the computer draw may have the desire, but not the ability to surrender a hunt permit-tag for a hunt occurring later in the same year. In addition, the proposed rule specifies that a person is not eligible to petition the Commission under R12-4-611 for reinstatement of any forfeited bonus points, except as authorized under R12-4-107(M).

What did he say? Im dizzy

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It would be cool if the department would allow something like a "Diamond Elite Membership" that costs $5000 or more a year to have first choice of a surrendered tag.

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It would be cool if the department would allow something like a "Diamond Elite Membership" that costs $5000 or more a year to have first choice of a surrendered tag.

That's the premium membership that gets that. Guys in coues that are premier members will get first shot at tags.

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So if A guy is sitting on 10 deer points and pulls a late dec tag but shoots a deer during the August OTC tag he can just surrender his tag?

Correct, which I think is awesome and glad the program is allowing people like that to return tags. Just the other details I've talked about that are crazy to me.

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It used to be that the successful people in this country were looked up to and admired. Now they are just scummy "rich guys". America has been Obama-ized. Now you can see why a self admitted socialist is going to be the Democratic nominee. We used to jail commies, now we beg them to be President.

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It used to be that the successful people in this country were looked up to and admired. Now they are just scummy "rich guys". America has been Obama-ized. Now you can see why a self admitted socialist is going to be the Democratic nominee. We used to jail commies, now we beg them to be President.

I believe to an extent some rich people are still looked up to. It's when they have an advantage over middle to lower class people in something that shouldn't be able to be messed with because of money. The department was set up to serve everyone equally. We all pay taxes and pay the fees to keep them going so when something comes up where if you have money and that's going to let you have an advantage over someone it's not right. I don't blame the guy with the money for taking advantage of it I just think they should never have the chance to take advantage in the first place.

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