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51 minutes ago, 452b264 said:

Laws are not the answer unless they target the criminal. If they take away one tool the wacko will just get another tool. The democrats wont stop with just semi auto rifles, it will be your shotguns and handguns. They will word into the law making everyone think its only "assault rifles" and we will lose.  Take a look at all the shootings and gang activity in california, chicago, ny, nj gun control dosent work they have very strict gun laws. As for the red flag laws they are their new tool to end gun ownership thats why none of them have any due process. California's new red flag law allows your boss to turn you in.

They offer free tuition, health care but dont publicly state how they will pay for it? Can you imagine the VA health care system with an extra 320 million people added to it? I watched the words leave  cortezs mouth "we need a 70% tax base".   They cant control an armed society.

I agree with most of that.  

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3 hours ago, HuntHarder said:

I agree with most of that.  

I just finished a job and he was completely against gun ownership, if he could have used a red flag law against me he would have and for no other reason than to take them from me. It must have been the ropers and camo hat.  In his view guns are for the government only or those of elite status, and he wants the constitution ripped up. 

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1 hour ago, 452b264 said:

I just finished a job and he was completely against gun ownership, if could have used a red flag law against me he would have and for no other reason than to take them from me. It must have been the ropers and camo hat.  In his view guns are for the government only or those of elite status, and he wants the constitution ripped up. 

Hopefully he paid you enough to buy another gun😄

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On 8/17/2019 at 4:19 PM, 5guyshunting said:

Hopefully he paid you enough to buy another gun😄

I am using it to buy a CZ Shadow 2. 

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22 hours ago, HuntHarder said:

Not saying I am in favor of the new law by any stretch.  I agree, this state is now purple and slowly transitioning to blue.  It is sad to see. I do, however, think something needs to be done and I do not have the answer.  Mental health is a very, very tough thing to enact laws to try and curb.  Not sure it is possible, but looking at different options never hurts.

Do laws stop poaching? Drug use? Human trafficking? How are laws prohibiting law abiding citizens going to prevent gun crimes by criminals? The do something, anything,  in the name of safety and security is exactly how we become a government run society from cradle to grave. In other words, socialists! Government, all governments are run by people. Corrupt power hungry people. 

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The dems will go after every gun one step at a time. Wacko uses semi auto, go after semi auto. Wacko uses pump/auto shot gun, go after shotguns etc. We have seen this in England, Australia and New Zealand. In the meantime the Dems and Media are against a secure border, against police and will not call out hate speech or violence from the left. Not an atmosphere I want to disarm in. 

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1 hour ago, BeardownAZ said:

Do laws stop poaching? Drug use? Human trafficking? How are laws prohibiting law abiding citizens going to prevent gun crimes by criminals? The do something, anything,  in the name of safety and security is exactly how we become a government run society from cradle to grave. In other words, socialists! Government, all governments are run by people. Corrupt power hungry 

Already are a Gov't run society.  Despite what you want to believe. You are not free to do as you please.  What do you suggest we do to try and curb the epidemic?

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Wait until the libtards find out archery equipment is actually a silenced weapon ...

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1 hour ago, Explorer said:

Wait until the libtards find out archery equipment is actually a silenced weapon ...

You just had to let the darn cat outta the bag didn't you.

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2 hours ago, HuntHarder said:

Already are a Gov't run society.  Despite what you want to believe. You are not free to do as you please.  What do you suggest we do to try and curb the epidemic?

Stop drugs for real.

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2 hours ago, HuntHarder said:

Already are a Gov't run society.  Despite what you want to believe. You are not free to do as you please.  What do you suggest we do to try and curb the epidemic?

Or we could just realized in a country of 340 million people this is a new reality with the way our society is today and the actual percentage of people that are being afflicted by such craziness is such a small number that it is not a possibility to control. With prescription drugs and illegal drugs as prevalent as they are in the society and with social media as it is it is inevitable to have a few crazies a year. Many more people die in car accidents do we just get rid of cars? Many more people die of alcohol abuse should we get rid of that. Many more people die of domestic violence should we do away with marriage and relationships? An exponential number more die of suicide every year. How do we stop that? This is the problem when you try to regulate everything it is impossible. Let life be what it is and do the best we can without infringing on everyone else.

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  PROPOSED  LEGISLATION COMING UP IN ARIZONA, TAKE A LOOK AT THE RED FLAG LAW  THE WAY i READ IT IS THEY WANT TO CONFISCATE FIRST AND LISTEN TO DUE PROCESS LATER BECAUSE OUR CURRENT LAW HAS DUE PROCESS. A RED FLAG LAW NEEDS DUE PROCESS / MENTAL HEALTH HELP  AND A MANDATORY SENTENCE OF 5 YEARS WITHOUT PAROL FOR THOSE WHO MAKE FALSE ACCUSATIONS. We need to call our state representatives, senators and the governor and make sure they include full due process in the new laws. She just sent me a response and a link to this page. I am sure its due to my diligent effort to voice my concerns over these proposed laws across the country. 

https://www.mitziepstein.com/gun_violence_prevention_2parts?utm_campaign=190810_gvp_no_ask&utm_medium=email&utm_source=mitziepstein

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4 hours ago, HuntHarder said:

Already are a Gov't run society.  Despite what you want to believe. You are not free to do as you please.  What do you suggest we do to try and curb the epidemic?

This proves what I keep saying, we are doomed from within, not the enemy from out

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3 hours ago, BeardownAZ said:

This proves what I keep saying, we are doomed from within, not the enemy from out

This proves what I keep saying.  Everyone complains, but has no real solutions.  If you are going to be completely against something that is a real problem, have a solution of your own.  I think Azkiller is spot on with the drugs comment.  I tend not to conform with the republican or the democrat views.  I make an opinion of my own, right or wrong, it is mine.  I am not easily influenced by fear or party lines.  Doing away with parties would be my first solution to most of our problems.  When we get senate votes of 100% republican opposition or 100% democrat opposition, it shows that we are sheeple.  Conforming to what others have told you to conform to.  If that makes us doomed from within, I will let you have that.  Open dialogue is needed.  

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