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I'd do an informal autopsy - like look for bullet holes. If I found him within a mile of a road I would look for broken bones or bruises. No broken bones or bullet holes = call G&F and have them come look at him. If they said they couldn't be there for a couple of days I'd stash him somewhere that his rack wouldnt get all chewed up. If there were bullet or arrow holes and it was during the hunting season I would ask around (ie if I saw you while I was out hiking or driving back to a main road) to see if anyone was looking for a buck before considering taking him. If there were broken bones and he looked like he had been struck be a vehicle and he was in no way going to be found by someone in a vehicle (ie way way off of a road) I would take the skull. I feel like I've got to go with Karma sometimes - like if somebody else shot him and might be looking for him. But it doesn't feel like karma if the buck was struck by a vehicle and is now property of the state and its illegal to take the skull. I feel like telling the truth - since this is only a hypothetical question. Tyson ps. If i find any skulls wired up into trees I am taking them home.

On NPR this morning there was a report about a lion sighting near a school on that side of town. They said G&F was investigating. With a public announcement like that I wonder how many urban assault vehicles (ie. 80's vintage Ford Broncos, Dodge Ramchargers, or Chevy Blazers; with primer paint) are now patrolling those neighborhoods with binoculars and small arms on board?

Everyone, I am writing to P&Y about obtaining the right for the site to show the top 5 bucks from both categories. It would be great for them to see the support this site has for the Coue's P&Y by voting. Get out the vote!

Guns are just to dangerous, thats why I prefer to use grenades.

12+ inch G2's on a coues?!?!?! I wish....

After reading some recent posts, and thinking alot during my long shed hunting hikes, I've come to an epiphany of sorts. Nothing too out there, just some reasonable, rational thoughts about positive directions a discussion forum can take. For example, I try to come up with solutions to negative aspects I've encountered or read about coues hunting, such as 'live in thick cover making them harder to glass than mule deer' or 'not enough bucks, too many hunters in my area'. I must use inference (what I already know) to determine what positive outcome can be made from each particular situation if I wish to be successful. Personally, I've deduced (come to a conclusion based on inference) that since coues live in thicker cover, I can subsequently stalk closer to them than I would be able to with a mule deer in open terrain. Also, if there are not enough bucks in a particular area I infer that 1) maybe I should move to another area, or 2) I can use the other hunters who are out and about as 'bird dogs' observing their movements as they indavertantly flush game. My point is that for every negative event we encounter in the field or with game and fish, etc, there is always a way to find a positive result. The art of hunting is, I believe the ability to use maneuver, tactics, and strategy to defeat my opponent, be it the deer, or the fellow hunter. The ability to find a solution is what I believe makes me a better hunter. here are some random photos of big game I've encountered for your viewing pleasure... thanx for reading! Tyson Photos are of a lazy bull elk in a parking lot in Yellowstone, and a man wearing a horse pelvis....

Is it just me or were those pictures taken like 1 week into our future??!! Whoa...

Outstanding!

The question on the top of my mind is: What day did Randy crash? Was it during the season, in his hunt unit? Anyone have an answer? If it was >2 days before the hunt than most of these recent postings are mute. It was legal. If it was during the hunt, than what penalties might/are being enforced upon him?

Regarding the legality of flying a aircraft during the hunting season (I am not sure about the date that he crashed), the closest law I could find was one stating that you may not use an aircraft for 48 hours before and during a special season (R12-4-319 p106). What day did he crash and did he or anyone he was hunting with have a tag? http://www.gf.state.az.us/pdfs/inside_azgf..._azgfd_laws.pdf

lil goose here

Merrel XCR Chameleons, light hikers that wear like a running shoe. (My other hunting shoes ARE my running shoes - aisics trail runners). I hike 10-20 miles a week with my dog shed hunting. I find that mid boots are too cumbersome, heavy, and restrictive. I wore White's Smokejumpers for 5 years as a Wildland firefighter - they are the toughest (and possibly the heaviest) boot you can buy, spendy @ $400 a pair but completely rebuildable for another $100-250. The Whites are good if you are carrying a 50 pound pack and a 20 pound chainsaw (So I'd assume that translates to hauling out a heavy load of game). www.whitesboots.com I do not wear my White's anymore, even when I am hunting. I got into the Go-light style a few years ago from a friend who hiked the Pacific-Crest Trail (Mexico to Canada). Kill the weight, save your knees and your ankles. Suggested reading (for the light hiking aspect - not much else for you huntin' folk here): http://www.rayjardine.com/ The guy is legendary in climbing circles for executing some of the most difficult rock faces in the world - now he just hikes/bikes/paddles around in record time using his light gear techniques. He hiked the Pac-Crest in 3 months (thats 2700 miles for an average of 30 miles a day) at the age of 49.

I heard through the grape vine that a big buck got smacked by a car out near the Desert Museum. Anyone heard anything about this?

Coosefan, good job on the photos hiding that broken 4, I didn't notice until after I read the post (of course I look at the pictures before I read anything!).

My father-in-law had that happen to him with an antelope as well, except that the arrow hit the lope in the exact spot he was aiming - only thing was it had turned a full 180 degrees from where it was standing the moment he shot at it. When he pulled the arrow out he realized that it had entered from the opposite side the pronghorn had been facing.

azhunterswhocare, you could have kept that pot - built a little hogon or kiva or teepee, and kept a fire burning on nothing but bud for a week! Of course the guys who dropped the pot were probably still hiding the next hill over waiting for you to leave it and would have had you run down and shot if you hadn't given it over to the BP, but just imagine.... Its a little fantasy I've had ever since I watched 'Romancing the Stone' as a kid - you know the scene where Michael Douglass and Kathleen Turner have a little 'camp fire' inside the fuselage of an old DC3 crashed out in the rainforest. My other fantasy is to find a crashed cessna full of drug money like that guy did a few years ago in the Rincons....

azpack, that is a wicked eye guard, I've found one she like that, somewhat similar... wonder what causes it? Tyson

Here are some pics of my sheds that I collected this year. I found ~22 Coue's sheds (3 sets), 2 pick up skulls (one not pictured), and 2 broken antlers. I also found 7 elk sheds (1 set) and one pick up skull (nets around 310, 5x6). My father-in-law says that I am possessed, maybe he is right. Let me know if there is anyone else out there with a little daemon in them who wakes them up ever other morning and makes them go out and find antlers. Tyson p.s. I can't find muley sheds to save my life, I've spent almost as much time looking for those as for Coue's.

I've heard that black bears have a major impact on Yellowstone Elk populations: http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/bears_elk_research.html A quick google search revealed these links to Eastern Whitetail / Black Bear studies, I see no reason why it would be different for Coue's. http://www.aginfo.psu.edu/news/december01/fawn.html http://www.bearstudy.org/Research/Publicat...20Minnesota.pdf

I am a graduate student (job = sort of), my research took me out into the field for about 6 1/2 weeks this summer (thats where I found some of the elk sheds), while I am in town I go out about 2-3 times a week hiking with my dog (who is quite adept at finding desert tortoises, but not antlers).

In defense of science, Dave you are right, individuals do further their own agendas to achieve personal goals. However, good science does not further personal agendas - science has no desire to pick or choose any particular outcome. Studies and their results can be manipulated to create desired effects. A well designed study removes the possibility of investigator bias. It is good science that we can use to make decisions. We must remember that science is only a tool! Science is just the word we use to describe the ways in which we can most accurately determine what is going on in the world around us. Rational decision makers who base their decisions on knowledge and facts, not faith or beliefs, is someone I would call a scientist. Someone who votes down good management strategies because of a personal belief or faith that they are doing what is right is unacceptable, that person is called a zealot, fanatic, extremist, not a scientist. People who make informed decisions are what we need in goverment. I'm done posting this thread, I'm going back to why I came to this site in the first place. Tyson

You guy's are worried about this: http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Currents...t?oid=oid:84203 ? Honestly, I am more worried about the high density subdivisions that are going into prime Coue's country. What is more dangerous? Fear of losing the right to hunt because some pinko lefties are in office this year OR forever losing the ability to hunt because there are no more animals left alive. I highly doubt that hunting will be outlawed, unless of course we allow sprawl building developers destroy all of the prime locations for game (ex. Pusch Ridge's Bighorns) and then the poor buggers are put on the endangered species list because of loss of habitat. Nappy's got my vote, I think she's doing a great job.

I am a graduate student at the University of Arizona. I'll graduate in December with a master's degree in Watershed Management. My work is using tree-ring fire histories in conifer forests to determine their historic compositions (like how they think ponderosa pine used to be 'open and park-like' but today is clogged with pecker pole trees due to fire suppression). I worked as a wildland firefighter for 4 years at Saguaro National Park, 3 years on their back country crew at Manning Cabin (10 miles from the nearest road - lots of coues and mtn lions up there), and 1 year on their Fire Use Module (basically you live like a gypsy moving from fire to fire watching trees burn and record weather observations). I'm currently working for my professor doing more of what I mentioned before. Most mornings I am out looking for sheds and that big boy I am going to bow hunt in January. I am hoping to get a federal job that will let me continue working in wildland fire stuff, but pay me the big bucks for my education. Cheers, Tyson L. Swetnam

The most appropriate question now is, what did the farmers name the elk, and were their children sad when that man came and shot him?