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G&F is not forcing them or you to do anything other then make a choice .... My Son did not show much interest in hunting until just this last year at 16 .... he enjoyed the occasional small game hunts, target shooting, camping, fishing and about everything else outdoors but was a bit reluctant to want to put in for Big Game Hunts... That changed last year and at 16 I still made him take the Hunters safety class. heck the class is far simpler and takes a lot less time than it did when I took the class when I was 10 ... I agree with everyone here who says that every person hunting Big Game in AZ should have to take the Class and everyone does if they are going to do any of the WMAT reservation Hunts. p.s. G&F is not making it harder as it has been that was for the last 30+ years ... 30 years ago you would have gone to multiple classes for 3 - 4 hours a night with an actual teacher , then take a test with the teacher making sure you were not cheating , then do your Range Day ... Now it is on line ( Open Book Basically) and your range day and if you prepare in advance finding the Range day is not as bad as it was 5 years ago...

I feel every dollar collected and spent should be public and Voters should have a say if it seems they are not using the money or doing their job wisely... But the same reasons the Cardinals can keep kicking up ticket prices or promoters can get $100 a pop on a pay per view fight is because the demand and people keep paying .... I am more concerned with those lobbying to create much higher tag fee structures by creating trophy hunts than with an across the board increase for all and not messing with things ( I know you archery guys already feel you are getting shafted ) ..... IMO G&F dollars should never go in the state general fund that is where they are wasted the most...

Hope was one of the names Jenners was thinking of calling its self

No way I could stretch 1-1/2 gallons 4-5 days , unless it was pure survival ... I am a gallon a day drinker and when logging miles in the warmer temps 2-3 liters a day is rationing .... A couple scouting trips with water cached and a filter allows flexability on how much water weight I choose to add when actually headd out for the main trip.

there are a few pre-filters out there MSR makes one that fits most brands and will make a big difference.... if you want another layer look at a DIY cheesecloth pre-filter as well... the more dirt you can remove before your high dollar unit the better it is...

you can find the base model 10x10 for 399 shipped free versus 499 - http://www.competitiveedgeproducts.com/detail.aspx?ID=1558&utm_source=shopping.com&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=product The one thing to remember is that the lifetime warranty for Kodiak is only to the original owner ... the little extra up front may save you $$$$ down the road...

We have a folding mat at home made of memory foam and it is better than most beds. Only downside is that stuff is like a bag of bricks, it is heavy! Yeah , at 10 lbs it is not going to be part of your back country gear, but this guy always makes his home under a camper shell in his truck.

This thread is so wrong on so many levels, but like a train wreck or car crash it is hard to look away... That being said I did hear good old Bruce will be auditioning for the Remake of "The Crying Game"

I can tell you one thing that is for sure .. make sure those teen boys with out a DL or helmets do not go to pick up a girl on just an OHV quad ... They got every ticket thrown at them that was possible.. they were fortunate that it did have Insurance ... a lot of $$$$ were cut to a few hundred $$$ plus community service ... lets just say that making them pay taught them the proper lesson...

I have a friend that always used rolled foam.. when looking to replace last time he went with this and swears he has never slept better ... http://www.amazon.com/Extra-Large-Orthopedic-Memory-Camping/dp/B003WCOLQM/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1433520407&sr=1-1&keywords=memory+foam+mattress+camping

Sounds like it may be staying wet most of the next 7 days with a small break on Monday and Tuesday ....

I have had 2 nephews in the last 3 years get pulled over and given a slew of tickets taking out the only OHV not street legal quad... This quad is not on DOT tires and in neither case was their a citation for the tires ... For over 6 years, I have seen people claim there is a Mysterious Statute that does not seem to be in the revised State statutes or any official publication that defines making your OHV street legal... In all these years and after being on many Forums both Hunting and offroad/OHV sites I have yet to see anyone be able to share a citation statute violation code for non DOT tires ... I see nothing wrong with having DOT tires and for those who spend as much time on paved and hard-packed maintained roads as they do the more rugged stuff I would recommend them. But until I see an actual statue - official publication or at least a citation with the violation code ( so the validity can be researched through the laws ) I am not buying the DOT thing as being something more than what Tire retailers are selling to the public to make more $$$$$

As stated many times before trphy.. NO .. I do not work for G&F, but usually with a little searching on the old website you see the documentation and proposals for something like this .. this does not seem like a small scale fish survey in the least... That is why I asked if anyone has seen or heard anything specific... since trying to see what is up after reading this thread I have seen numbers from mid 1400's to 2600 small mouth shocked and dumped ... If that is the case I think everyone deserves and explaination !

The bass in Willow Springs and even the few that pop up in Woods canyon from time to time have not been there for generations ... They were transplanted illegally over the last several decades... I can tell you one thing the Trout fishing the last 10 years versus what it was in the 80's and 90's does not even compare... back then you would fill a stringer of qualiy trout in less than an hour almost amytime you went and catch maybe one or two small bass... now you can spend half a day catch a ton of Pecker Sized Small Mouth, a couple decent small mouth and if you are lucky a few stocked trout... I have mixed feelings on if what they are trying to do is wrong or right and feel if it is about the money they stop stocking trout and make it exclusively a northern bass location ... I hate the idea that the Bass being taken are not being moved to lakes that could benefit from the population increases such as Apache or Pleasant ... Never the less this is one G&F plan that seems poorly thought out and poorly executed to this point ... Does anyone have any offical documents on what the actual plan is or is everything going by word of mouth ... I had not seen anything nor heard anything about this until this thread.

I have not had any issues with the MSR sweetwater but am hearing good things about the Platypus Gravity Works and thinking of trying one

Come on Phil ... With how expensive it is to go to the movies anymore, some of us like getting a full day or two of entertainment for free ... actually I appreciate your effort and concern but based on past experience there will be plenty of Pissing and Moaning come Tuesday June 10 !

100% agree .. better be ready to make a couple trips .. maybe bring the Mule back with you on the last one...

I like the list ... Some suggestions from the few I have done in the past... A good water filter and knowing what sources you have in the area makes for more versatility in what you can pack out. Hiking in some water caches prior to hunt is also beneficial.. as water is always your most weight. We always had a base camp a few miles away - usually because there were always a couple guys in group that did not want to hike in so far... By doing this we were able to have more food options from.. vacuum sealed meals easy to boil up and eat versus dehydrated... we ate well only doing one trip back half way through on day 4 ... things I would add to the list ... A good steel to keep blades sharp, zip ties (4 small and 4 medium) can come in as handy as that duct tape, some game bags, my fist aid is a bit more extensive and has full survival kit as well I keep it as a separate as possible and can be put on any of my packs ( http://www.amazon.com/Condor-Rip-Away-EMT-Pouch-Black/dp/B003TPNG5E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433434887&sr=8-1&keywords=Condor+Rip-Away+EMT+Pouch ) ... I would not trade my GPS for anything .. I use a rino 655 ... no need for additional watch, or camera plus most of our group uses rinos for easy polling and locations... that being said still keep a reliable compass in the first aid/ survival kit... at the end of the day it is figuring out what works best for you ... a lot of making your pack lighter will also make your wallet lighter in the process but IMO it is worth it.

Awesome way to get away and catch some small mouth!!!

As I said not trying to be in a pissing match ... But to be ticketed you must be in violation of a state statute and I have yet to see any statute to date that mentions DOT tires to make an OHV street legal ... If you know someone who got a ticket I would love to know the statute and violation they were cited for since to date I am not aware of any that exists ... The statutes are pretty clear all the way up to DOT helmets required for anyone under the age of 18... I am not saying I am right and Murphy is wrong , but until I see a state statute revision that states otherwise I am not buying it ... http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=28

You will not find it in any Arizona state statute or the official literature that describes the laws and what is required to be street legal ... You can find it all here ... http://www.azgfd.gov/pdfs/outdoor_recreation/ohv/atv_brochure.pdf Of course a retail site is going to try and sell the DOT tires and make buyers feel they have to have them but the reality is that in 2014 the National Center For Highway Safety put out a report and recommendation for all states to outlaw the USE of OHV's on pave public highways and roads.. one of their big complaints was the fact that only a few states require DOT highway approved tires, and of course most OHV tires suck on pavement/asphalt when the surface is wet. Every state is different in Arizona there is no part of the the law that requires it. p.s. nor am I trying to get into a pissing match .. only passing on accurate information.

Murphy you have brought this up a couple times, but the way the law is written, Highway tires are not a requirement to making street legal an OHV .... If you can show a change to the statute or any current official public publication that confirms this it would be helpful... I am not sure how big of an issue this would be the last few time I got tires most I looked at were DOT approved on-road/off-road anyway.

Yes ... and have seen and know many others that have. Easier to make it street legal and not have to worry !

nice Bronze Backs too ... Congrats on your catch and final weight !

Very nice finds and must agree with 6aNut that is great looking well trained lab...