Str8Shot

LOL .... did a cut and paste when I realized I was in the quote box and it made it look that way .... Went back and fixed it

I have seen too many years in the last 10 where on all the various hunting forums Archery hunters were complaining of how hard the hunts were and that they should move the dates back a week or two in order to more coincide with the RUT... So they want first crack at the best bulls and the benefits of more Rut activity... With out game and fish trying to compensate for the effect pushing the hunts back would create on the other hunts? That also makes no Sense. The Bows and Muzzle loaders of today are a far cry from what they were 20 - 30 years ago and IMO are far from the idea of what primitive once was. The effective range and accuracy is easily double of what it was 20 years ago when you rarely heard of guys taking shot of over 50 - 60 yards with a bow and over 100 yards with a muzzle loader. If archery hunters want to be moved back a week or two in hopes of having more rut activity, I see no issue with letting some of the muzzle loader hunts go before them... General Rifle hunts IMO should not be put first period. If They do offer a limited number of tags for such an early rifle hunt, you can bet that it is an agenda being lobbied for by guys with $$$$$ and outfitters who want to sooner or later create premier Hunts at higher cost in order to use income as a way to increase opportunity for the more wealthy.

Timing can be everything .. Still better than being at work like some of Us .. Have a fun safe weekend !

Better than a day at work ... What you using for bait? Sunrise can be a tough lake for shore fishing and is one of those lakes where heavier line a more weight to get out further and deeper can be your best bet ... way back an old-timer from Greer showed us a way that has always produced on that lake from shore using Power bait and inflated night crawlers ... either work great on a single hook behind 1 - 2 oz barrel weights ... Or do a double hook rig using power bait on a short leader up front and trailing an inflated night crawler a couple feet back ... get it out there far and in no time you can fill a stringer of those football Rainbows!

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I said that is my personal opinion ... so what the heck does it matter to you the why I feel that way. You are right about one thing a lot more can go wrong trying to close the distance to under 30 yards ... things that for most ethical hunters would keep then from even letting the arrow fly ... I have on 2 occasions seen game( Elk and Mule Deer) injured and flee by hunters that took over 80 yard shots that were not even paying enough attention to see that in both cases there was another hunter one in a stand and one in a blind that where waiting for the animal to give them a better shot while being half the distance or more closer. On 2 almost 3 occasions I have had 1000 yard rifle shooters sling lead over my head taking several shots each blowing up the hill side, on one of them a buck was hit , unfortunately for the guy slinging lead a wounded buck that was never found became his campfire story for the remainder of the hunt. I doubt he even talks about to those who were not there. I am allowed my opinion ... I have no issue with the OP making his choice and taking a heck of a nice buck... IMO when people start throwing out long range distances in a public forum it is to try and achieve an atta boy , but not everyone is going to agree. I can tell you one thing ... None of these guys are going to post on a Hunting forum the times they let an arrow fly at long range only to find the shot not be true and being unable to retrieve a wounded animal.

Nice Buck anyway you look at it ... As far as distances I give props to any out there that spend the time and dedication and have the confidence to take a long range shot be it with a Bow or Rifle. That being said I do think things like distance are best kept among your group of friends .. Once it goes out on the Net not only does it look a little like bragging but it encourages some that will end up not having the same type of success. I am always more envious of those stories where the hunter got close than took a long range shot ... getting within 20 yards of Rutting Buck with does and getting a kill shot IMO is a far greater accomplishment than defeating the odds of what could go wrong taking a 100 yard shot ... same goes for those 1000 yard shooters that have slung lead over my head while I tried to close the distance on a Buck.

It is becoming way more necessary to be able to get your own bait ... I would throw out a craw trap too ... nothing better than using live craws to catch Smallies , just remember they have to be caught in the body of water you are using them !

where you headed out from ? If in the Mesa Area ... hitting liars corner in east mesa may be the only thing ... The couple other places in the Globe/Miami area we used as back-ups to Kilmer's have not been selling for a while. The Tonto Basin side of Roosevelt has a few places ... We Use the store at Jake's corner or Butcher Hook Bait shop ... Also on the East Side of the lake You can get bait at the Boat repair Next to the Store.... I know those may be a bit out of the way ... But kilmer's was always the go to place on that side , unfortunately they have been going down hill the last few years.

I can check when I get home the brand , but been using a green submersible for the 10 years that was about 50 bucks .... Always been able to bring in the shad and the fish that follow ...

Now why would they give you all on one, if they can get you to buy both?

You think your head hurts now? Wait till he makes premier status.. LOL.... not in any rush like so many other guys are ... Oh look there is one more post ! Hope your scope gets in soon !

Yeah I was going to say the burn rate is the big thing.. great for those lighter bullets but want to slow it down for the heavier ones ... I would agree on 4831 but more often Use 4350 on 300 win mag and Ultra mag ... here is a couple links that may help ... http://www.imrpowder.com/data/rifle/300winmag-2005apr03.php http://www.imrpowder.com/data/general/burnchart.php https://books.google.com/books?id=bEnpgMbBFv0C&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=case+pressure+fast+burning+powder+vs+slow&source=bl&ots=HlDJ8FG3TJ&sig=sfs_LjVAJu0Ulg91f2huU39rZuo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=j_ZcVanrBc-KuASwxYHIBg&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=case%20pressure%20fast%20burning%20powder%20vs%20slow&f=false

Great glass at a great price, but as some already mentioned a lot of places cleared them out NEW at 899 if they are the VT-K15 part number .... if they are the newer KAI -5602 part number then your price should be fine .... Good Luck

once was a cop, and your posting laws that are legit. Tell me the the qualifications of the operator. I have never heard a straight answer on that, and have asked several times. Most utvs have a plate that starts with mc "motorcycle" technichally you need an mc license. I have asked numerous lio this question, but they dont know sh$. I have the mc license , so im covered . Other guys may get fined. Let us know. OTHER OHV REGULATIONS DRIVERS LICENSE -A valid driver’s license is required on city, county, and state roads and highways as well as some Forest Service roads and BLM-maintained roadways. The laws are out there and your best resource is here! http://azgfdportal.az.gov/PortalImages/files/OHV/atv_brochure.pdf

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28-964. Motorcycles; all-terrain vehicles; motor driven cycles; equipment; exception; prohibition A. An operator or passenger of a motorcycle, all-terrain vehicle or motor driven cycle who is under eighteen years of age shall wear at all times a protective helmet on the operator's or passenger's head in an appropriate manner. The protective helmet shall be safely secured while the operator or passenger is operating or riding on the motorcycle, all-terrain vehicle or motor driven cycle. An operator of a motorcycle, all-terrain vehicle or motor driven cycle shall wear at all times protective glasses, goggles or a transparent face shield of a type approved by the director unless the motorcycle, all-terrain vehicle or motor driven cycle is equipped with a protective windshield. This subsection does not apply to electrically powered three wheeled vehicles or three wheeled vehicles on which the operator and passenger ride within an enclosed cab. B. A motorcycle, all-terrain vehicle and motor driven cycle shall be equipped with a rearview mirror, seat and footrests for the operator. A motorcycle, all-terrain vehicle or motor driven cycle operated with a passenger shall be equipped with a seat, footrests and handrails for the passenger. C. A person shall not operate a motorcycle, all-terrain vehicle or motor driven cycle equipped with handlebars that are positioned so that the hands of the operator are above the operator's shoulder height when the operator is sitting astride the seat and the operator's hands are on the handlebar grips.

had some friends go 2 for 3 on the SCAR... said they were into a lot of birds at least compared to last year where they went 1 for 3 ...

I hear that someone filed an Order of Protection on behalf of all ELk in 6a against All Hunters .... Now what you all going to do

Someone have a GIF of a woman kicking a man when he is down ... Because resurrecting this thread goes way beyond kicking a dead horse !

As most know ... I am not an advocate of using Game Cams ( mainly when used with baiting always being my main issue) However I am always willing to help my fellow hunters try and save some $$$$ in these times. Not sure how good these units are but they are 72% off ... https://www.choxi.com/daily_deals/view/2893286-pyle_water_resistant_motion_activated_night_vision_wild_game_scouting_camera

lol... well at least you"re locked into next year ... I am assuming he had quiet a few less than you did then .... and I am thinking the title should be Almost Blew It ... cause getting drawn for a lesser quality draw with a buddy IMO would have been blowing it !

I assume you haven't hunted 3c? The deer in 3c don't rut till December every year. Long after the October hunts. The strip bucks don't even start rutting til November and that's early for AZ. I have hunted and assisted in 3c a lot for both Elk and Deer .... and spent a lot of time up there in November ... The rut may not be in full swing in early and mid November but on the years with early freezes Pre Rut patterns in mule deer do happen in early to mid November .... I Have not hunted Deer there in the last 4 years and forgot it has become more late OCT than that first week of November like it once was... But I have always considered those pre-rut behaviors as the beginning ... The swelling , the challenging , Bachelor Herds getting smaller with the bigger bucks starting to get more active and aggressive. The rut may not be in full swing until late November and December, but I have been on several deer Hunts in early November where they are starting those pre-rut patterns. Might be one of the reasons the last 4 years it keeps opening earlier and earlier

I would not shy away from 23 or 3c ... Have seen plenty that go over 180" in both and as in most units in this state the potential for a book Buck exists .... as far as the Rut Most years The date of the 3C hunt puts you in the beginning of their Rut ... Some seem to forget that the upper plateau Bucks rut A bit earlier .... remember the 3c hunt is any antlered and though you don't see many I have seen a few Couse that would make any of us on this forum drop our jaws and drool like a kid in a candy store and they were on the the white mans side of the fence.

Awesome catch !