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That doe look part donkey ...

just so you can see some pics ... my sister took these a few weeks back with her hx30 ... the deer were over 400 yards away ad the hawk was close to 250 yrds

Looks like, at least through Walmart.com ... for 319 ... if your store does not stock it you can have delivered to store and pick up for free

the sony HX30 at around $320 is by far the best compact digital I have seen for the field in a last few years... Newest cmos tech, high resolution imaging with a 20x optical and new 40x clear image zoom out performs many digital Slr's that sell for 2 - 3 times more...

The GMC does not go on hunts any longer, so up for sale is a custom 2 inch portable winch mount for the front of the bed... this set up makes it easy to get elk up to and into the back of your truck and has loaded dozens of elk over the years... Powdercoated finish and fits most GM beds ... pic shown is on 2001 GMC sierra ... Looking for $100 O.B.O ... send PM if interested and good luck on the Draw!

it states Produced and manufactured for livestock industry ... what do you think that means ... there are federal and state regulations pertaining to livestock nutritional supplements and what can go in them ... there are also natural supplements used as common practice such as hay , corn, corn stalks, soy bean meal, molasses that would be illegal unles placed during an active operation ... Break it down ...Produced and manufactured for industry .... read definitions... you making a home brew mineral lick does not constitute manufatured for and industry only for your personal use ... try to slant it how you want but it is not confusing to those with common sense

Seems pretty clear cut .... People looking for the loopholes will always tend to see confusion Pure salt - legal - not defined as bait Salt based products ... i.e. Mineral licks that include salt must be manufactured and produced for livestock industry ... ( so unless you have a manufacturing facility and product marketed for livestock, a salt additional mineral combination would be illegal) unlike most nutritional supplements salt based licks can last a while on land not being actively used for cattle operation and remain viable when land is used again... I would assume the difficulty of enforcement due to this fact would be why Salt and salt based licks are not illegal, plus the fact that salt would kill any cells that would be associated with bacteria and disese would make the a CWD argument hard to sustain Nutritional supplements - manufactured and produced for livestock would be legal if placed during active operations... So would come to make sense if the land has not had any active operations recently, that being caught using nutritional supplements would be illegal ... nutritional supplements for cattle usually fall into three categories, Protien, Energy, and Roughage... this would include things like corn, hay, grains, meals like soy or cottonseed, molasses ect. so seems anything homebrewed would be illegal ... unless you becom a licenced manufacturer of Livestock nutritional supplements or salt based products for livestock... making yourself subject to fees, state regulations, taxes, and all the good things that come with being a business.

Good time of year to get those smallies at Rosey .... rocky broken points on tonto side,,,, with gitzits or drop shotting craw plastics about a foot or two from bottom... p.s. G&F says they are getting reports of the crappie bite starting good

The prices in the original were reduced as noted at the bottom ... trailer is not dropping any lower

2004 Artic Cat 4x4 300 for sale, great running condition and excellent for getting out on the trails during hunting season or for recreation, normal wear and tear and 1740 miles, Tires have good tread but two are starting to crack from heat, new battery front and back racks and rifle holders. $1700 OBO serious buyers only please text or call (480) two 6 Two 04 09 Also for sale is a 2006 gravely utility trailer 5'2 x14' actual cargo mesurments inner rail to rail, with ramp, spare, and front stroage... $850 Just posted these today on CL but am listing them here for a discount to forum members... Sorry in advance, but not looking at trades Dropped prices on 02/12

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That is a once in a lifetime trophy to be proud of awesome job .... by the way, were you guys coming off the water on Sunday packing it out?

Come on those are G&F decoys ... many have already said on these forums, that all the bucks are bulls have been wiped out by all the tags given by that greedy G&F in all those units Good luck on your hunt

I am laughing my butt off, at your statement, that all the good bulls, cows and the statement " killed the elk off" in 3c ... 3c still has an excellent population of elk and I nor the many hunters I know that hunt that unit year after year continue to see quality and numbers of Elk including this year ... if anything the herd has gotten stronger since the fire even with the hunting harvest of the last 8 years, but if you feel they are all gone please negate those hunts as choices on your application so I may finally get a Bull tag for the hunt and unit I want p.s. the increase in trophy hunters in these units all looking to harvest 400+ class Bulls has just as much an impact on the herd as the number of tags... if one thing can be learned, we can learn it from the White Mountain Apache Tribe, that too many cows and rags horns not being culled from the herd effects the numbers of big bulls in the long run.... They seen the impact many years back and have been offering numerous opportunities to hunters to balance out the cows and rag horns since to improve the herds... keep in mind this helps in 3c since many move back and forth over the fence lne

I hate when people start talking about Unions as they are all the same ... Private unions (those for workers in industry) have lobbied to make many changes that are beneficial to all workers but they are a representative between the workers and owners/ stockholders of a company , and as of the last couple decades have used their power to make workers less accountable for work performance(much harder to discipline for job performance) while getting pay increases year after year... this causes a few things in the long term ...1- more jobs shipped over seas( why you think i phones are all built in china) ... 2- inflation and higher prices of goods since the stockholders and owners are not going to take losses they pass it on to the consumer ... 3rd- less productive workers ... This does not mean all private unions are bad and do not have a place in the current economic environment, but they should be policed since they have a vested interest in success of the industry What is the real problems are comes down to Public unions ... since they are fed by tax dollars and taxpayers are never going away ... Public unions + collective bargaining ='s toxic waste and is one of the reasons we are in mess we have today in this country... These Union workers have almost 0 accountability and often get paid more and more regardless if what they are doing is failing and costing taxpayers more dollars year after year, huge pensions that make little since to any accountant on how they will be paid for and corrupt power in every aspect of local, state, and federal governments makes these Unions Toxic to all taxpayers p.s. Unions tried for an 8hourday/40 hour work week all through 1800 and even going further back in England, but the actual real change to the 8hourday/40hour week came voluntarily by Henry Ford in his first plant and not because of unions but based on output and productivity ... Fords model was so successful that in many sectors of industry it was adopted as standard practice before it became law... Unions lobbied for it, but the fact is; many in industry were already doing it regardless of unions

I would say bad luck for hunters on both sides ... there is a big difference between hunter A and Hunter B coming from different areas putting a stalk on the same buck ...and a situation where hunter B knows you are a hunting a particular area you reached first and camping on top and around you all hunt ( I have been in this situation and it is much easier to move on ) ... getting screwed would have been if there was a Hunter C on a ridge 1k out who decided to throw lead at a buck you were stalking... If you were at 50 yards from the buck when seeing the other hunter who was further off at that point, what kept you from putting him down? you said he came from further out to put himself between you a the deer... did you actually see the buck or think you were about 5o yards from him ?

Very nice country ( minus the trash and illegals) but makes for a great plan B ... make sure to have your lion tag ... those dang cats are encroaching in a couple of our areas last year where we seen almost no sign years prior

Trphy ... I have no Idea why you would have tag #856 of a hunt with 800 tags but I would thing G&F can answer that for you ... I did not hunt or scout this year as I was helping on a mule deer hunt in 23... I will most likely be down there again next year and all I can say is that there has not been a year since my first trip down there that we were not able to find quality bucks ( sometimes the ones you scout don't show up for the hunt but that is how it can go), Vegasjeep knows some the areas I like and have scouted/hunted .. some areas in 36b hold good numbers but not many will pass that 95-100" mark (lots in that 80 - 90 range), while other areas seem to have much better and more that pass that 100" mark ... in 2011 in much worse weather than just passed we seen only a couple big ones early in the and had another hunter always trying to push into were we were hunting every morning ( I do not blame number of tags for this just an A**HOLE hunter) passed on about a half dozen smaller ones and then last day I missed a decent 3x3... in 2010 I was spotting for family and friends not hunting seen over 30 bucks ( not counting forks or spikes) biggest bachelor herd was 7 deer with 4 of them easily being over 100"'s and the biggest in that 115 - 120 range ... unfortunately my brothers friend from Cali who had only one deer hunt in his pocket could not get over his buck fever and missed twice on 2 different days on 100"+ bucks and missed 4 total through the hunt ... Only a couple smaller bucks were taken by other hunters.

There has been an average tag increase of general hunts in 36b of 6 - 13 % of the tags depending on the year in comparison to 2007 that consisted of 2 early and Dec hunts ( this year 2012 is about 6%) the average buck harvest has seen an increase of 16 - 31% ( all greater than the total tag increases) with 2009 and 2010 being the best years... yet the majority of hunts through the 3 hunt change remained around 20% meaning all hunts are producing bucks... Does it suck that there are a lot fewer Dec. tags ... I bet that would depend on if you are the guy holding the tag ... if there were still two early hunts with over 1k hunters each like 2007 or 200 Dec tags , those hunters,who are unsuccessful, would complain and still blame G&F ... It is true that in many units the pushing together of junior hunts, Whitetail, and general mule deer hunts creates a lot of pressure and it would be nice to see a bit fewer tags and some interval between hunts, but 36b is a big unit that I have scouted and hunted a good deal of over the last 6 years and during each hunt time and bucks and opportunities were available on all of them. So please share how G&F has limited opportunity in a unit that has seen significant % increases in harvest beyond the % increase of tags since 2007 If your seeing large herds of does down there you need to be looking at the surrounding ranges, the bigger drainages, and the litter thicker stuff and those bachelor herds are around( not right on top of but...) I have seen them in the early, mid and late Nov hunts... sometimes they get broken up for a spell but they seem to get back together Being born and raised in AZ I would love to have it how my grandfather and dad did when I was a kid, but blaming G&F for everything including lack of success is a fracking sell out and in my opinion becoming way to common and getting very old on this site.

It was... but I am sure the news traveled quick about Obama securing his second term combine that with a big drop in temps and the flood gates were bound to open up... I doubt they are even worried anymore about securing jobs since they are good at abusing the Liberal entitlements.... Obama and Democrats looking to secure a new bunch of illegal voters for the next house elections to try and get the house and senate democrat for his last 2 years like he had his first 2

lol ... you did not ask about the illegal to buck ratio in 36b ... I would say that number is a little higher than 12 to 1 from our experience down there, some of those herds have 20+ all trying to curl up under one tree on the cold mornings like a bunch of Javelina

During this time of year in 36b you will see good groups of does usually with spikes and some forks .... the better bucks are in bachelor groups and a little further away from were you would be seeing the does. this is the first year in the last 6 that I did not spend a hunt down there and in years past ( a few just helping find them) we have seen numerous bachelor herds of bucks from 4 - 8 bucks in a group. I think the key in those southern units during these earlier hunts is not sticking right in the areas you are seeing large numbers of does (unless looking for a tender spike), this does not mean move to the other side of the unit but the bachelor herds do seem to like some distance from the doe herds. In all the trips down there scouting, and on hunts and not counting spikes I would say we have on average no more than 10 - 12 does per buck... the hardest part once the hunt has started is finding them and getting them in the cross hairs.

I think 308 nut nit the nail on the head stating that the 6.5-284 is not a 1k yard Elk gun regardless of trajectory... well placed shot and energy on impact are both needed .... I am going off memory since my reloading books reside with my dad where I still load with him, but looking at doing loads for a 7mm saum for a friend the 162 gr Amax loads would be far superior to the 140 amax 6.5 load you are selling... the 7mm saum would have over 900 ft-lb @ 1000 versus 600 -650 ft-lb from the 6.5 and the 7mm 162 Amax has a BC of .625, and much flatter trajectory than your 6.5 as well... I am not sure( you can share some if I am wrong) if there is even a load out there in the 6.5-284 that could get much higher than the 600 - 700 ft-lb of energy at 1000 yards without being extremely hot and burning up barrels... I still think 308nut is right, but if your just going by the numbers then the 7mm SAUM with 162 gr Amax would be in the same arena as the .30 cals a lot more so than the 6.5-284... p.s. Hornady does not recommend A-Max or BTHP Match for hunting as they are not tested for expansion and I do not recommend nor support 1k shots on any big game, but if it floats your boat ... cheers!

My cousin and I had a very close encounter with bandidos in 36b, and they were not in camo and all were carrying Kalashnikovs... but they were on our side of the border a couple years back, maybe they have upgraded... The mules we have reported in 36b and were taken by BP no camo ... I agree it could be numerous situations including federales ... Seen many strange things down there including blacked a completely blacked out SUV doing about 60 through Warsaw canyon on a moonless night with no headlights, so something like these guys would be no surprise nor worry unless those guns came pointing my way!