MattMan

Reminds me of two hunts, a couple years apart. First year we respected the space of some other hunters and watched them wound a 100 buck, at way too far to shoot for their skills (somewhere upwards of 10 shots fired with one wounding contact), with all the bullets they had. Watched them leave, and watched the buck bed. Killed a smaller buck, cut it up, left a Gatorade bottle on his head as a joke for my buddy with the next hunt, and packed it out. Coulda killed the big buck, easily. Assumed said Azzhatz came back, and got his deer. But then helped said buddy kill their trophy on the next hunt, whole front of the deer was smelly and rotten, but he was alive. Read on this forum about a bear eaten carcass and a Gatorade bottle on his head, and how they packed in and ran out of water. Gimme a break, its 1/2 mile at most from roads. They ran out of bullets. Next time we were in there I met said azzhat. When he glassed us up, while we were trying to get our kids their first deer, he and his Scooby-Doo lookin Shaggy buddy walked up to where we were glassing from, proceeded to accuse us of stealing his deer, (Shaggy-Doo looked embarrassed by now), walked right in front of us, appearing to intentionally walk through where we were glassing, and he did the same thing again.... we left.

For better or worse, thats closer to where I'd have aimed.

The issue with oversize vehicles in mexico is the width of the roads (duallies), and the weight capacity and construction standards of the roads (weight). Ownership is to prevent importing stolen vehicles. Trailer regs are due to expats renting uhauls and abandoning them after they get there. I respect them for addressing the issues, and kinda wish we had the huevos to do the same.

He'll die, no doubt, and may be laying 50 yards from where you shot him, but maybe not quickly. Bullet failure is IMHO unlikely... I've seen as many animals from coues to elk slain with 140 SGKs launched at 2650 from the lowly 260, from 20 yards to 300, as I have from any bullet other than 140 AMAXs, and they all died as quick as if shot with anything else. Close to a dozen animals total, including three elk. I'd have aimed to the right of where you did, on the left edge of the bright spot on his shoulder, same elevation. Being quick ambush sprint predators, relying on a stunning surprise intitial connection, and walking most of their lives, lions have relatively small lungs compared to what you'd think, tucked in nice and tight right between both shoulders. I've personally watched lions attempt to attack deer twice, both times the lion missed, and gave up well inside of 30 yards. FWIW, Monday morning quarterbacks have it easy. Many of us wouldn't have gotten off a shot.

I'll take it. PMs sent.

Barrel twist?

Even back in the 90s, the industrial/marine Cummins 6bt was stomping any torque numbers you clowns have put up, with only 12 valves to breath. Still is. The limitation in trucks then was ring/pinion, u-joints, axle shafts, and trannsmission. Still is. All the HP/Torque in the world isn't worth squat if the drivetrain can't handle it, and is pretty useless on the road without the gear ratios and shift points to match. Glad to see Dodge finally offer a real transmission that can handle the Cummins. It's a Japanese slushbox, by the way...

SPF.

Jim White head, two full size plates, two half size plates. Great head, and works great, I'm just trying to thin things out and consolidate. Located in the White Mountains, willing to ship priority mail, $300 OBO. Sold

Open to trades, but don't need a 9mm or another pack right now.

Too many packs taking up too much room, and no tags. Time to thin the herd. Kifaru Nomad, Camp Bag, Grab it II, & Longhunter lid all Kryptek Highlander. You need a duplex frame to make this work. Don't want to separate pieces. All gently used once, clean, uncut, no rips, tears, or stains. Cost $600 new. $450. SOLD Two Kelty Falcon 4000 packs, each gently used. Both are a light coyote brown color. Some marks on outside of packs that will wash out, mostly from my kids both sitting on a burned log. Great packs to get your youth or spouse started. $175 each, OBO. Kelty Cache Hauler frame. Like new. $100 OBO. Eberlestock X2 in Rock Veil. Used, no rips, tears, or stains. $150 OBO. All packs located in the White Mountains. PM for pictures or more details.

Need to move this stuff along. Everything is OBO.

Objective covers? Glass condition? Standard eyecups?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Full fee up front solves it all. CO and NM do it, and moved to that system to solve similar sets of issues. If it's against current state law (I'm not sure it actually is), laws can be changed, even if it only applies to Game and Fish apps, and someone with Game and Fish should be pursuing that legislative change. It would actually save Game and Fish significant amounts of wasted money and time, since no one would have to be paid to sit and make those calls. If your card is declined, you fix it prior to the application deadline.

TTT

My grandfather grew up in the late 20s and 30s. As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. He watched his very successful family farm falter and nearly fail as a child during the great depression, and in his own words the first lottery he won was a free trip to Europe, and those @$$holes shot at him the whole time, from the beaches in France nearly to Berlin. You are living the good old days. Enjoy it, and take lots of pictures of this episode for those who live the next one.

Actually, back when it was paper only, I tried to do the same thing as the original poster when my daughter was 9, and she was rejected, since her 10th birthday was not until after the deadline day. If I would have put her in for actual hunts, she would have been in the draw, since all the hunts started AFTER her 10th birthday.

No one saw this coming? Lark is spot on. They did the same thing up north with the other wolves. It's a broken record, and all of the same tactics, patterns, and propaganda have been used... changing objectives, hidden success, skewed survey numbers, millions of dollars, game, and livestock wasted. If you want to know what's going to happen next, read the articles and info from about 10-15 years back from Idaho and Montana. No one cared and the majority didn't even notice a few years ago when the experimental range was quietly updated in the regs to include the entire state south of I-40. They've also changed the description. They're now Southwest Gray Wolves, which is a man made wolf-dog hybrid species, since they couldn't produce a pure Mexican Gray DNA sample from the breeding stock. I've heard some stories that seemed reliable that they learned through the court system in NM that until they did that, it was nearly impossible to convict someone of shooting a wolf, since they aren't in fact pure wolves. If that's true, it's time for one of those "Conservation Groups" or non-profits that claim to have Arizona's sportsman heritage at heart to stage an injunction and suit against USFWS for introducing a non-native and ferule invasive hybrid. Of course, our society also protects "wild horses", invasive non-native donkeys and horses, instead of shooting them as the trespass ferule junk animals that they are.

The NR that don't draw in the bonus pool, will be put into the regular pool with higher draw odds due to more numbers in the hopper. It's also significantly better for G&F to have a 50+ year old continue to place applications with the off chance that they are able to draw in 5 years instead of 15 years. Keep the G&F budget strong without having to levy increased fees to residents. As a resident, this is a slight benefit to me as the non-bonus pool is now "up to 5%", so in theory there could be less than 10% of tags going to NRs. But its a huge benefit to the G&F budget overall to have more applications from NRs helping to bolster their funds instead of tag rate increases to ALL applicants, NR or Res. I agree with that. The problem I see is if I was in the top percentage where I could have had a tag in 3-4 years and now I see I may not get a tag in 20 years I would be tempted to cash in my points on a different unit and quit applying. The flip side is if I see I can never draw a tag or have to wait 20 years why apply at all? Of course I like elk hunting, any legal elk will do for me, so I only put in here for units I have a high chance of drawing. I have been drawn 8 out of the last 10 years. That is why I like the NM system, other than the limit of 6% to NR, it is all random luck. That and they can get the draw done correctly . Actually, NM limits non-guided NR to 6% of the tags issued in the draw. The tags issued in the draw are a varying percentage of the actual total number of tags issued. There are varying numbers of landowner tags in each unit, which are mostly also sold to guided non residents. NM isn't exactly forthcoming with the information on exactly what any of those percentages are. NM won't come out and say it, but they're clearly NOT supporting the DIY public land hunter through accessibility to tags through the draw system. Nor are they supporting youth recruitment of non-residents. It's quite simply a short sighted and small minded approach. Without future residents (VOTERS) in other states supporting hunting and fishing, the argument is already lost. IMHO, for highly sought after tags, a no-point system is better than a system based purely on preference points, but a guy can apply for a lifetime and never have a better chance at a tag. That simply sucks compared to the bonus point system in AZ. At least once you build bonus points, even if it takes 25 years, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Quite a few DIY guys I know, who hunt many western states, simply won't apply for NM with the no-point system, application fees, the the "6%" rule, which isn't anywhere near 6% of the total tags issued to non-residents.

Game and fish could have applied the same bonus pass cap to NR as they do to residents, and limited it to up to 20% of NR tags issued in the bonus pass. NR used to get up to 100% of NR tags issued in the bonus pass, basically making it impossible for a NR with less than max points to draw quite a few tags in AZ. Now NR get up to 50% of NR tags issued in the bonus pass. I think it's a good thing for just about any NR, except for those with max points that won't apply for anything but the very highly sought after tags. In most cases those individuals are applying for several states and building points in all of those states. This move is a step to making hunting accessible to all, especially youth, who haven't been alive or old to enough to apply long enough to have max points, even if it's slim odds... to continue to pass on the tradition of hunting, you have to make it accessible to youth. Without the next generation of passionate outdoors men and women, that tradition and understanding of the outdoors will be lost. There are western hunts that my children will NEVER have a chance to draw unless that state modifies the rules of tag allocation. They simply can't live long enough to catch the point creep.

First and foremost, I don't think a lease holder for State Trust Land should be able to lock it up and treat it as private. Period, checker boarded or not. You don't want to allow free access to those holding a Hunting License or State Trust Access Permit, you shouldn't be able to lease it. Lease the trust sections to someone else, and make the private landowner provide provide prescriptive access easements to the new lease holder. You want to keep the new lease holder's livestock of of your private sections, fence them. Its an open range state, and it's YOUR responsibility to keep them off. Have a nice day. Here are some points to ponder. State Trust Land differs from other public land. It is NOT "public land" managed for the use of the public. It is land held in trust to maximize revenue for the beneficiaries of that trust. There's a list of beneficiaries. Education, UofA, Mental Hospitals, etc. There was a time when there was NO hunting allowed on trust lands, period. No one wants to go back to that. I don't know when it changed, but some old timers have told me it used to be totally off limits. Those trust lands used to say no trespassing, and didn't mention anything about hunting. I've seen a couple of old rusty ones. No mention of G&F. The lease holder for Trust Lands usually has a lease for grazing. That's it. State Land is NOT private land, period. There are many areas of checker board trust locked up, and the lease holder treats it as private. In some other smaller units it's better than half of the unit. If someone with some bucks were to push the issue, I think the angle of not managing the property in accordance with the lease as written, and denying other users reasonable access for legitimate use, might work. I also doubt the State Land Department is getting their piece of the pie from the access fees. That's possibly another violation of the lease. They're technically sub-leasing the trust land for a purpose other than they leased it for. Selling something that ain't theirs so to speak. The State Land Department could also amend leases as they come up to require the new lease holder to allow for reasonable and free access to trust lands for recreation and hunting purposes to individuals holding a License or State Trust Land Access Permit. They control the bidding, writing, issuance, etc. for the leases. The agency to push the issue with is the State Land Department, NOT Game and Fish. They have no control over the State Land Department. None.

Here's the link to read the proposal. Route Descriptions, proposed action, and maps. http://www.fs.usda.gov/project/?project=47435 The links to the right allow you to make comments through the official channels. The purpose and need statement doesn't look like a campaign to close more roads and further limit access to me, nor do the proposed actions or maps. But it could be scaled back or stopped, if all the hunters and people who want more motorized access sit back and watch instead of getting involved and commenting, even if it's to support the proposed action. You're better off commenting to support every action you agree with and against the ones you don't, than against just the ones you don't like. Supportive comments matter. A little cut and paste from the purpose and need statement: "The Coconino National Forest proposes the following actions to meet the purpose of and need for this project: • Add designation of approximately 60 net miles of motorized camping corridors, along the roads listed in table 1 (below), and maps 1 and 2. Motorized camping corridors would extend 300 feet from either side of the road, except where limited by topographical factors, existing fences, or private land. • Add designation of 107 net miles of roads to the designated road system, as shown on map 2. Added designated roads would provide access to areas historically used for motorized access and camping. Roads removed from designation would be removed to protect natural resources or reduce user conflict. • Change designation of approximately 17 miles of roads as shown on map 1 and 2. • Decommission approximately 7 miles of non-designated roads by blocking and revegetating, or in some cases obliterating the existing road bed using heavy equipment. • Allow off-road motor vehicle use up to 1 mile from designated roads for retrieval of elk in game management units 5B North and 5B South."

A few years ago some guys from Globe were parked down toward the bottom of 7 mile and when they came back to the truck, some jerk had broken into it and broken the steering column trying to steal the truck. Truck wouldn't start and wiring was trashed. Doesn't sound like a big deal, problem was one of them was an insulin dependent diabetic. I don't remember all the details but the attempted thieves actions nearly cost that man his life.

No, actually, I don't work for the Forest Service. But I understand the NEPA process, and I've used the process successfully, since I actually made the effort to learn it. A VERY large portion of the anti hunters understand it too, and use it frequently to further their agendas... and they don't sit back and whine. They make comments that have to be addressed, and they make a lot of them. The surveys G&F did for the hunt restructuring had nothing to do with NEPA, hence the reason they didn't have to listen, address comments, respond to comments, etc. That was a survey. The surveys that were turned in overwhelmingly supported "Increased Opportunity". Trick question? Probably. Your confusion between the two indicates that you don't have a clue what the NEPA process is. Do you even know what the acronym stands for? Get involved, make comments through the proper channels that have to be addressed or responded to. Or sit back and whine, watch it happen, and eat what's tossed on your plate.

The NEPA process requires that they adequately address all comments, whether they fit an agenda or not. It's a well defined and structured process. If there are logical reasons why a route or an area should be left open, state them. They may respond with logical reasons it needs to be closed to protect a unique resource. They are also faced with balancing the desires of many different users. Someone camping in a tent may not want to have a six trailer party camp with all night generators be able to pull up and camp next to them. "I want to drive my SxS cross country and love to road hunt, even if I'm not on roads" and "You're messing up my ability to drive willynilly across the forest to look for sheds" are not logical reasons. If everyone throws their hands up and says they won't listen anyway, you're right. They'll do what they want.