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Anyone else try to smash Tony's (O.W.) little spider crawling around on their screen? Can't be done - LOL

OK. I can live with a little spider, but that lifesize roach is gonna get smacked.

I'd vote for Amanda too or maybe resurrect Bud Bristow. The Dept. personnel has tripled in size as has their nongame, endangered species and hybrid introduction programs all funded by "HUNTERS" with a few handouts from the lottery & P.R. funds - that are generated by hunters. I'm glad his sales tax boondoggle went down in flames. The Dept. appears to be more about managing people - their own employees, maximizing their dollars, and less about managing wildlife.

There are people out there plotting and planning to do just that.

It's just an adjective used to describe a big ol' buck or bull etc. Pig, Hog, Toad, Beast etc. all mean the same thing - take your safety off and find a rest.

Hilarious, a couple of those elves look like they've lost a little weight.

Grongulita!!! - too funny man. How come you don't want Grongulita barking at the boogeyman?? I like Grongulator - kind of like the Raculator - the dog will be able to instantly score shed antlers and give you a net score. My choice Ellie Mae or Ellie

Cory it's the same buck on both sites, WOW what a jumbo, lucky dude!

Right on Tim, nice job & big congrats - he's gonna look great on your wall.

Just got an e-mail from SCI stating that the Center for Biological Diversity along with the Sierra Club is petitioning the AZGFD for a ban on all lead ammo in AZ. According to the e-mail the Dept. has not responded and the above groups have not ruled out litigation. I see another lawsuit round the bend and with the AZGFD's poor history of successful litigation ..............this will be another ugly one IMO.

Well said Doug, I'd have to agree. At what point do you become part of the click? After 53, 99, 108, or 404 posts? The guy shared some nice pics and asked for a little help. If you don't want to offer any advice don't answer. Never hunted that unit myself, but like RR said, get a hold of Amanda, I'm quite sure she will have a few spots to check out to help get you started. Welcome & good luck.

Congrats Allen & Travis, nice job & great smile.

I shot a buddy's 460 Wby. with no brake "once". Yep, I received the "Weatherby Award", that's right a scope indentation on my face with lots of blood. I even shot it off hand and my cheek waaay back on the stock with about a foot of eye relief. I reccomend, if you're gonna shoot one make sure it doesn't have a scope attached. I hate those things. My buddy and his family have every WBY gun ever made in every caliber with the most beautiful wood and all the trimmings, I'll take a good ol beat up model 70 .270 anyday.

Right on Mike, great buck!! Took some huevos to trade that once in a lifetime tag, I couldnt'a done it, but at least you'll still get to go hopefully and help out on Tam's hunt. Big congrats that's a really cool buck.

Rather than create a new thread with a new book I'll just add to this one since it is the same authors. Book : "The Eye Of The Elephant" by Mark and Delia Owens - non-fiction - published 1992 After being expelled from Botswana for writing their controversial best seller, "Cry Of The Kalahari", Delia and Mark Owens set off on a journey across Africa, searching for a new eden. they found it in the North Luangwa Valley of Zambia, an area the size of Delaware with no roads, no buildings, and no people. Hippos and crocodiles swam in the rivers, lions stalked the bush, and elephants wandered into camp to eat the fruit of the Marulu trees. But the peace and quiet were soon shattered by gunfire; poachers were killing thousands of elephants a year. When they learned that the people in the villages around the valley depended on poaching to survive, Delia and Mark became a one man, one woman economic development team, helping villagers start sewing and woodworking shops, fish farms and grain mills, all the while trying to convince them that in the long run wildlife could be worth more to them alive than dead. But some of the big commercial ivory poachers decided that the Owenses should die; and Delia and Mark's battle to save the elephants turned into a fight for their own lives. Cry of the Kalahari was one of the great wildlife adventure stories of all time. Remarkably, The Eye Of the Elephant is even more dramatic, more exciting and more poignant. The above is taken pretty much from the dust jacket so it's not a true book review but an overview of the story. It is truly an amazing story IMO and a really fantastick book, one of the best I've ever read. Buy it or check it out at the library and read it, you'll love it. "Mark and Delia Owens's simple human passion and dedication are invigorating. This is a remarkable and important story." ----Barry Lopez "If their survival is a wonder, so is their book - stirring, hearteening and elegiac all at once." ---- Newsweek "Leaps off the page and sweeps you away." ---- Los Angeles Times

Published in 1984 - Written by Mark & Delia Owens - Non-fiction This is the story of American husband and wife research biologists Mark & Delia Owens who in 1974 with not much more than the clothes on their back and a pair of binoculars purchased two tickets to South Africa. Once there they bought a third hand Land Rover and drove deep into the Kalahari Desert in Botswana. They lived for seven years, in an unexplored area with no roads, no people and no source of water for thousands of square miles. Their seven years in the Kalahari was an incredible adventure. Their goal was to conserve one of Africa's last untouched wildernesses. From their meager beginnings they developed one of the most important research conservation projects ever conducted. They learned how Kalahari lions and brown Hyenas survive droughts with little to eat and nothing to drink for months and years, how harsh conditions force lions to abandon their prides, and how brown hyenas, formerly thought to be solitary scavengers, help one another in raising young and even adopt each other's orphans. because the wildlife of the central Kalahari had never been studied before, virtually every observation Mark and Delia Made was an important scientific discovery. Truly an incredible story of their lives, trials and tribulations, successes and struggles with the environment, the govt. of Botswana and the wildlife of the Kalahari. I highly reccomend this book, it's one of the most compelling and interesting true stories I've ever read. "I defy anyone who picks up this book to put it down or to remain untouched by the story." ---- Marlin Perkins "Fascinating... a magnificent cri de coeur for understanding animate creation." ---- Farley Mowatt "One of the most absorbing true adventure stories I have ever read." ---- Roger Tory Peterson "A remarkable story, beautifully told." ---- Chicago Tribune

Very Cool Amanda, I guess I'll be the first. Thanks

Tony, I'm going to check those out too, thanks! I've got a couple for ya, especially if you have any interest in Africa. Recently finished two of the best books I've ever read, incredible true stories that you can't put down, at least I couldn't. "Cry Of The Kalahari" & "The Eye Of The Elephant" both by Mark & Delia Owens I think it'd be cool if Amanda pinned a thread on Hunting & Wildlife book recemendations. Thanks for the referral

Very nice mounts Doug, Tim is an excellent taxidermist and a really great guy. Two of the best are Henry Aguillar in Kingman he's the best Muley taxi around, IMO. & Dan Lee in Dewey for Coues, can't miss.

Welcome to the new MOD. Jim, Amanda, Stanley, Allen / Thats quite a MOD SQUAD Congrats

The difference is hunting is a legal activity - fighting dogs and then hanging them, electrocuting them, drowning them and slamming them on the cement till they are dead if they don't perform up to your satisfaction is not legal and in most peoples eyes is regarded as being pretty sick, thus he's in trouble and a fair amount of trouble at that. Whatever dude if you don't see a difference ...........

Ruff, Starbury said Vick is a good person that just fell into a bad situation, come on you buy that load? He pled guilty and all the things he's accused of doing he premeditatedly did on his own and put himself in that situation. Marbury is an idiot that should have kept his mouth shut.

PREDATORS and Managemnt or lackthereof

Jim, the angle on the last pic makes him look a little better to me, he's got a great inside, good to really good beams, and good mass, decent height, decent eyeguards I'd probably adjust my score up a little to somewhere around 190 + or - a few. The non typ would have to have a 207 -208 frame + 10 - 11 inches of abnormals to hit your 217 mark. I dont think he's anywhere near that on the frame, he's way too short IMO, his mass which is superb and his eyeguards add a little bit to the overall score but his short 2's, 3's & 4's and short beams would need about 2 - 3 inches each to hit the 200 + mark, IMO. Your right about one thing it's great fun and good practice to try and evaluate these beautiful bucks. In reality both these bucks are jumbos no matter what they score and I hope you or your buddies get to wrap a tag around those antlers.

Great bucks for sure, I'd have to say some of the 190 -200 scores are a bit high for both. Always tough to tell from pics but I'd guess they both gross somewhere in the 185 - 190 range. Thanks for showing us