DesertBull

I fished on that boat in Sept 2001. Caught (5) 10lb silvers in about 2 hours. It was a well run trip.

When Mr Ordway 1st brought this up last year, I believe he said it was because he feared bad publicity in the non-hunting public over baiting, as the main reason.

Elk - 1st choice - Archery Bull Unit 10 2nd choice - Archery Bull Unit 7W Antelope - Point only

We are most likely going the 1st week of July. Either Ketchikan or Wrangell. It's a combo get-away with the wife / fishing trip. 1 day on a charter, for either halibut or salmon and 2-3 days of fishing the local streams and lakes. The rest of the time will be devoted to relaxing, taking pictures, hiking, gorging on salmon, oysters, dungeness crabs and Alaskan Ale and seeing the sights.

If you "jump in and get your feet wet", make sure have on your waders, cause it gets deep in here sometimes.

Isn't Wyoming getting ready to allow wolf and Grizzly hunts? I'd be all over a lower 48 grizz hunt.

I have an appointment on Friday for my 1st exam. I wonder how much $$$ for them to implant the Swarovski 10x lens?

Thanks! Couple more ???'s Anyone have any experience with Redington or TFO rods? Good, bad, or otherwise? Are large arbor reels worth the extra $$$? Are weight forward lines the most versitle?

Awesome. Just think, all that work and dedication and you only a get a 1 hour hunt out of it.! HAHA!

Matty, did you see the boars that Arrowslinger and the gang wacked at Tejon ranch last week? Pretty impressive.

NM does it, why can't we? G&F says it causes too much burden. Why is it too much burden for rifle hunts but not archery?

I don't think there is any difference between a quad and a truck or a jeep as long as they are on the roads and trails that are they supposed to be on. I use mine a lot, but only because I don't like beating up my truck that I drive everyday.

He's not naked is he? I'm not clicking that link until I know. I've heard you take pics of things like that.

There is a picture on bowsite.com on the AZ board

Kirk, I don't even know what I am doing next week, let alone next fall. It all depends on what I draw, or more likely, don't draw, here in AZ and in Utah. Right now I am trying to plan summer fishing trip to Alaska. I have a butt load of air miles with Alaska Air that I need to use. With my air miles, it's cheaper for me to hunt / fish Alaska than it is to drive to NM, Cali, or Ore. Did you draw your Oregon spring bear tag?

Did anyone hear of the bill that would establish AZ's own version of the Endangered Species Act? http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?in...lls/hb2853p.htm Or how about the bill that would require every commercial round of handgun and assault weapon ammo sold in the state to have a serial number on both the bullet and the casing?

Lark = Roger Clemens

Why don't we all just carry a camera in the field instead of a bow or rifle? Then all tags can be over the counter and everyone is happy.

Probably when that info is free instead of costly.

Let me put it like this....Bait is used for fishing. So then, if I bait up a carp, you're ok with it?

Barrack Obama is quoted as saying ALL semi-auto weapons should be banned, yet he is most likely the next President. And if not him, McCain, who has a mixed record on the 2nd amendment. It's only a matter of time.

Okay, I tried to answer the question since it sounded as if you didn't "understand the numbers." That said, perhaps you can clarify the relationship between that question and the "...a few people sitting over a block of salt in which a buck might wander by every other day" because I can't see a relationship between the two dissimilar topics. The point?? I agree that the harvest stats MIGHT not be totally accurate, but that goes across the board -- not for just one type of hunt and not another. In fact, I've have many discussions with G&F folks about it over the years and even denigrated how it's done in the Coues deer book. But I'm guessing those stats are a bit more accurate than pure speculation by anyone. -TONY Except that archery hunts now have mandatory reporting and the other other hunts do not. To me, that skews the numbers right from the start. My point was, I do not see one tactic as being advatageous over the other. In fact, I would be willing to bet that the guy glassing for deer SEES more bucks per day than he guy sitting in a tree stand, but we want to further limit the sitter. I do not really have a problem with banning it per se, but to me it's a stepping stone to other things that will limit all us further. What's next? No shooting after 12:00 noon like they do with the dove hunts? No tree stands? No ..fill in the blank...? It's the progressive restrictions that I fear most. How about we let the new opportunity philosophy take hold and evaluate the results in a few years instead of just piling on more and more restrictions every year?

It's not really rocket science. If you take away permits for a hunt that has 40% success on average such as Dec. WT one and move them to a hunt with only 15-17% success such as an early Oct. hunt, you can increase permits even more for the Oct hunt and still keep the total harvest for the two hunts together about the same because those permits that were moved will have less than half the success rate during the early season. So...more opportuntities for more INDIVIDUAL hunters with no detrimental effect on the deer population. For discussion sake, some hypothetical figures. Before the change: Dec. hunt -- 500 permits, 40% success -- 200 dead deer Oct. hunt -- 500 permits, 15% success -- 75 dead deer Total harvest: 275 deer After removing 450 permits from one to the other: Dec. hunt -- 50 permits , 40% success -- 20 dead deer Oct. hunt -- 950 permits, 15% -- 142 dead deer Total harvest -- 162 Adding more opportunity for the early hunt to keep total harvest the same: Dec. hunt -- 50 permits, 40% success -- 20 deer Oct. hunt -- 1700 permits, 15% success -- 255 deer Total harvest -- 275 deer Any questions??? -TONY I understand the numbers game, but a few people sitting over a block of salt in which a buck might wander by every other day is not the same as 1700 guys with .300 winmags and a $2000 binoculars. Sorry, don't buy it. The problem is, the way I see it, is the G&F admit they don't know the true success rates of the hunts. They depend on people returning their cards and replying honestly. Also, in your example, the worst case you give is 15% success rate. I would be willing to bet that there has never been an archery deer hunt success rate, using their numbers, of 15% overall. More like 10% in a great year.

What I find contradictory is that they can issue 3x the amount of rifle tags in units 22 and 23 as they were 3 years ago, but sitting over a block of salt with a bow in your hand is devestating the deer herd.