DesertBull

Yep, the days of putting an October hunt has your 3rd or 4th choice are probably over.

Don't worry, I will. I hope you draw your tag.

The archery elk hunters survey was done the exact same way and they accepted it. That is what really ticks me off. IMO, they just needed an excuse to rubberstamp it and ..... CHA-CHING!

LOL! How do they know only 30% complied? If they know only 30% reported, then would have to know how many hunters were successful to begin with.

It cost you $12K to get them to drop charges in which there was not even a law concerning the offense? Can't you file a civil suit against them to recover the fees and your antlers?

There are juniper trees in 40B? Looks like one of those unit 10/18 buck to me.

I left the meeting after it became apparent that the Commision had already made up their mind, which was about 8 minutes after it started. I have better things to do than sit through a BS session with a bunch 0f ego-maniacs that are on the commission. What is the procedure for having a commissioner replaced? Can the Gov have them removed? This "we all need to work together" crap ain't going to flyg. Those people had a chip on their shoulder because the ADA supported the law that was just passed concerning the 10% cap. They let their personal feelings override their civic duty. Screw'em. Maybe the 78% of the 6500 surveyed that disagreed with the commision should not give them any application fees or buy a hunting license this year since we don't represent the average hunter. 6500 x 78% = 5070 5070 x 4 (sheep, elk, deer, antelope) x $5 app fee = $101400 5070 x $35 (license fee) = $177540 5070 x $30 (deer tag) x 80% = $121060 x 80% = (draw rate if you put one of their "opportunity tags" as second choice) total = $400000 That would buy alot of endangered chub minnow food.

You send me the pics from the camera and I'll send you some pics of your wife. Deal?

First time in 4 years

If 78% of the hunters surveyed would have said they were in favor of more opportunity, I would say good and would hope the Commision would abide by that, but 78% said they did not favor it. The whole reason it was proposed in the first place, according to the people in charge, was because they were under the impression that hunters wanted more tags. We are the ones that pay the bills for the G&F. As long as it doesn't negatively impact the overall herd, we should have a LARGE say in the types of hunts that are offered. Now, if they go ahead with this, even after seeing the overwhelming evidence that it is not supported by 3/4 of the deer hunters, then the only real conclusion we can come up with is because they either 1)Think they know what we REALLY want, or 2) they want to sell more tags. They listened to the archery elk hunters when they oppossed more opportunity, will they listen to us?

So, being in support of more hunts and tags doesn't make you a "me" person? Interesting.

No one is asking the "danged Game and Fish" to do away with the early hunts. We would just like them to leave a few of the units as December only. It has worked for many years. Why does every unit have to managed the same? A little variety never hurt.

How many elk and deer do you estimate Arizona has? You really think we can just give every hunter who wants to hunt a tag? We wait many years to hunt OUR OWN STATE, let alone someone elses? It's not about keeping you out, it's about the residents of the state getting some preference. I see you never answered the questions we had about YOUR state not even letting NR apply for elk or antelope. I'm willing to bet that California has at least 10X, if not 20X more deer than AZ. I know Colorado and Wyoming do, as do alot of midwestern states. We have a very limited resource.

Yeah, but the oil companies are in business to make money, the G&F sole purpose is to manage wildlife.

They want to move alot of the bear hunts back to October and out the traditional "bears in the pears" time frame. More opportunity I guess.

I think a bunch of greenies have taken over and are determined to kill as few animals as possible.

While you are asking for the 10% tax, will ask them to let me apply in California for Tule Elk and Antelope? Oh, and ask them to give more than ONE NR sheep tag. We give 15% of sheep tags to NR's. Thank you and have nice day.

Last year, on my plane ride back from Alaska, I sat next to young kid that was returning from a summer at Doc Warner's Fish Camp. He had some amazing pics and video of big salmon and halibut and he had 12 boxes of fish on board he was bring back! He told me he would be bring a rifle and buying a wolf tag the following year because he saw a lot of them. You'll have fun. Oh yeah, this guy was ate up from head to toe with bug bites.

I have the Delorme 3D Topoquads 2.0 It is specific to Arizona. I like it because it is the only software that comes on one single DVD, no disk swapping. It does not do private vs public land though. The Maptech software does though, I think.

This is what I have left. Browning Buckmark 22lr semi-auto pistol- SOLD 5.5" bull barrel, 1 magazine, adjustable sights,. Extra guide rod and spring. Original hard plastic case. Marlin 25M, .22 mag bolt action rifle. - $175 1 magazine and scope rings. Plus a few other things - eMACHINES T2460 Computer (no monitor or keyboard) - $150 AMD Athlon XP2400+ Processor (2.0GHz) w/266Mhz Frontside Bus 256MB PC2100 DDR Memory 60GB ATA/100 Hard Drive 16x DVD-Rom Drive 48x/16x/40x CD-RW DriveS3 ProSavage Graphics w/32MB Shared Memory 10/100 Fast Ethernet V.92 56Kbps PCI Modem 1 4x AGP and 3 PCI Slots Available 6 USB 1.1 ports Savage Weather Warrior LEFT HAND .270 WSM - $400 Stainless Steel action and barrel / Synthetic stock Leupold rings and bases. Can substitute Burris Signature Rings if you want. "THE CLAW" black sling I have maybe 200-250 rounds through it. It is like new and very well maintained. http://www.savagearms.com/116flss.htm I can email pictures.

Browning Buckmark 22lr semi-auto pistol- $200 5.5" bull barrel, 1 magazine, adjustable sights,. Extra guide rod and spring. Original hard plastic case. Marlin 25M, .22 mag bolt action rifle. - $175 1 magazine and scope rings. Savage .22lr semi-auto rifle - SOLD 1 set of ATV truck ramps - SOLD I can email pictures.

Muzzleloader Antelope 52 and 29 Rifle Deer - 2B Elk - ML'er 17

A LARGE LARGE percentage of the people surveyed have indicated that they did not want hunt success lowered or more "opportunity", yet the Dept recommends that the hunts be approved as proposed. What a waste of time and money to even put the survey out. They didn't get their money from the increase in archery elk tags, so they have to get somewhere else. I am seriously considering not even applying for AZ deer hunts anymore. Screw it, I'll go to Colorado, California, NM, UT, or Nevada. You want to know the brain power of some of the people they have running the show at G&F? I asked them about the possibility of taking a handful of the 600 rifle deer tags they issue in unit 37B and opening up a 4-6 day day early season ML'er hunt there. Their reply, "We don't feel the population of deer in unit 37B can withstand a ML'er hunt and we don't like to mix archery seasons with firearms seasons". HELLO!, there is no early archery season in unit 37B and you are issuing 600 rifle tags in a unit that probably has 200 bucks in it total!"

I see they just ignored EVERYTHING we told them and went ahead with the changes to the Whitetail seasons. The only thing they didn't do was shorten the Dec rifle season. Not only that, they INCREASED the overall number of tags coming off the worst winter in recorded history. AMAZING! Then they tell me it's not about the money! Hey, they did protect the lions though!