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Who controls and owns the border patrol choppers? Who tells them where to go? How do you know they will be there next week, next month or next year? I understand many of them have left. What do you depend on to make decissions for the future? Just because choppers were there one week in 2007 you think it will last forever? Have you guys read what has happened to the familys that ranched along the border? You go down 10 or 15 days a year and now you are experts on what you want. You young guys gonna take your 1 year old and 2 year old and camp out? Just some things to think about.

No disrepect to the young ones here but this is BULL CRAP. Sorry to hear some of you bought into this. You guys need to go to Commission meetings and see what the anti's are doing with Arizona. It sounds warm and fuzzy like you will preserve something. Have any of you tryed to access areas in Arizona? You can't take a mountain bike or wheeled game carrier in a wilderness. Grilhavelina just wants a freeway for his family to cross and do their dealings. Lets see if he can do DNA testing and find them. I think we should make Walmarts and Costco's a wilderness. If you check all the license plates in the parking lot, you will understand. They take cash right? Us older guys have to depend on you young ones now to protect the future of hunting in Arizona. What are you going to do about it? Young guys, the anti's are eating your lunch. Your grandchildren can take a hike in a canyon but will never be able to experience what you have. THINK ABOUT IT GUYS!!!

You guys are a bunch of freaks. Did you ever sing "Mary had a little lamb" when you were a kid? I enjoyed the video, nice pictures, very well done. Maybe I should get some sunglasses like grong.

This really is a painful process. So many good people working to do so many things. This is what it comes down to for me. It is about growing animals and growing the resource that supports them...habitat. This is what is not happening. Now it is about growing money. We need 3 Commissioners that want to take care of wildlife and grow habitat for them. I think we have one now and one tilting between Colorado (green) and Arizona (brown). Golighty and McLean are the cancer that is killing Arizona now. In my opinion these two guys are killing Arizona and have killed the heritage of sportsmen communicating with the Commission. I challenge them to tell me why we can't kill every lion on the Kofa??? I challenge them to tell me why we need spit in the face of our legislature and challenge them to a ballot initiative to allow sales taxes to be directed to the Department.

I am cornfussed. Recruitement means more people come on board. Retention means you keep those people. Where are they having the class on how to field dress javelina in August? I sure don't want to miss it.

Tony, I got the feeling we are all going to get a lot more educated in this before it is over.

It is a matter of protocol to allow the legislature the opportunity to bless it rather than going around them and more or less kicking sand in their faces. It will be interesting to see how the legislature reacts if the initiative goes forward. It will also be interesting to see what type of controls will be written into the initiative to designate where/how this money is spent. I think that would be important to know if you want support for it.

Well let us see, the Commission just voted last week to have a ballot initiative in 2008 to gain tax revenue with no set method to determine how the funds will be spent. They will need the support of every sportsman’s group in the state to get it done. If you want to see how friendly they are and how much they want to reach out, ask them why aren’t we pushing for a referendum rather than a ballot initiative? See how friendly they are then. One Commissioner made a motion to do that. He was out voted 4-1.

I got the same treatment from this guy but from both ends. He is safe from me, I have no tag.

Hey with all those trees near by you could raise your camera up a bit and aim it down. You might get a new perspective on these guys. Just an idea.

I should be there as well Stan. I have never shot this one. Would be nice to meet that younghunter with the yeller scout.

I think they currently have a drawing for spring bear. Or, you could call it summer bear if you are an archer. By ending it July 31st, they really save a lot of bears from being killed by archers. End it before the pears get ripe. It is better to have more bears messing with people and their trash than to harvest one. The animal is so keen in the wild. Very hard for an archer to harvest one in southern Arizona. Sorry but I wouldn't want to allow baiting. Extending the season to when the pears are ripe and allow opportunity to actually glass a bear you can stalk would be a good thing.

I was just reading back through the Zoomerang survey the Department paid to do back in August of 2006. Question # 41 is one of my favorites: 41. Let’s assume that if more permits are issued through the draw, then overall hunt success rates will decrease. Would you be willing to accept lower hunt success if it meant that you could get drawn and have an opportunity to hunt more often? This is a Dave Sipe question for you all to consider: Let’s assume 3000 people apply for 75 archery bull elk tags for a September rut hunt. If we were to increase this number by 50 tags and offer 25 tags in September and 100 tags in November, Would you be willing to accept the lower hunt success if it meant you still don’t have a prayers chance of drawing a archery bull elk tag in Arizona for the rest of your life. If you do draw in November, I doubt you can pull your bow and wade through the snow. This would be your odds for being drawn: .025 for choice number one and .042 for choice number two. This would work well for the AZG$FD, they would gain revenue and less animals would be harvested. This is what they are saying we all just voted for. Imagine that? So what is the problem we have with hunter retention? No worrys, I am an ingun outlaw, I can shoot a buffalo a 500 yards with my hickory bow, don’t you know?

I am so beside myself by the DESTRUCTIVE operations of this Department and Commission that I cannot and will not attend their public railroad meeting that was held tonight in Tucson. Funny how the questions read in their survey. The survey was a money deal hiring a professional agency to construct and give them the professional answers they wanted. December of 2005 the ADA spent the money to conduct a survey that was much better than the one the AZG$FD RAILROAD paid for. The first words out of the two Commissioners mouths were that the ADA survey was not random. Those two knew the survey would show what the real hunters wanted and had already planned their reaction to it. They also planned to create their own survey that would serve their desires. Just like a lawyer would do, they crafted a survey that they can tell the Gov. was the most purest, random survey created by mankind. BS. This is the AZG$FD RAILROAD THAT WILL KILL BOWHUNTING IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA!!! What a legacy Director Shroufe and Deputy Director Ferrell will leave. What a legacy Commissioners Hernbrode, Golightly and Mc Lean will leave. How about you Leonard? I know you are reading this? What a legacy you will leave. You can brag that you were the one that discovered a new pie allocation method that was fairest way to give more rifle hunters tags. What a legacy you will leave Leonard. How about our Archery In The Schools program? Why would any kid want to learn to shoot a bow so he can go tromp through snow in November and maybe see an elk track? No, they will be playing paint ball and shooting stuff with real guns. YOU ALL ARE KILLING ARCHERY, THE BEST TOOL TO ALLOW HUNTER RECRUTEMENT AND RETENSION WITHOUT IMPACTING THE RESOURCE. IT IS ALL ABOUT ONLY ONE THING, ONLY ONE THING, ONLY ONE THING...HOW MUCH MONEY CAN YOU GENERATE TO FEED YOUR MACHINE, YOUR CARRIER AND YOUR EGO'S. I am sorry I started attending Commission meetings 5 years ago and had a heart to conserve the hunting heritage of this state. No hunter with a heart for hunting wants to put up with the BS this Department and Commission has handed out.

Hey younghunter, This was Mark's favorite limo.

Well, we are brothers in Christ. It is me and my best friend. Mark was only 4 years old then. That was then. Mark is my best friend now.

Welcome newbe, Sorry you didn't get to meet Josh. He might have been working on one of the Nice Jons or sneaking up behind someone. Sorry you didn't get to meet Marvin. I hear he was shooting so good from the blue cub stakes that they had to bump him up to the women stakes and loan him a range finder. Just kidding Marvin. I gotta meet that Christian. Any one that has the huevos to drive a yellow scout must be a keeper. This is me and my best friend back before there was elk in unit 1 with my uncle's yeller Scout. We were too young to drive then.

younghunter, 120 averaging 8 is excellent for your first time. YOU STALLION!!! Just watch out for Josh. He likes to sneak up behind you and tickle your leg with his arrow tip. Probably woke me up and helped me keep alert and shoot better though Glad you had a good time.

I think you will be pleased with what you find out when you test them. The short head gives the same spine and foc as a field tip. The cut on contact more than makes up for the shortness. It is a good balance of size, demension and design that produces excellent arrow flight. You made a very important comment before about spinning your arrows to make sure the broadhead is true. If you have the time, do a test where you shoot 3 true broadheads numbered 1,2,3 and 3 that wobble when you spin them numbered 4,5,6. Shoot each broadhead 10 times each charting each group. You can try this same test between different styles and types of broadheads. If you find one that flys better and groups better than a wac em, let me know please!!!

I have shot the regular muzzy 100gr. 4 blades and they shoot quite well very close to the same point of impact as a field tip. I also had trouble with the MX-4's, my groups opened up quite a bit. I shoot Wac ems now. They fly exactly with my field points and group very well. I can't wait to try their 4 blade model if I can ever find some.

Thats good to know. I can check if I drew for elk or deer in NMex before I put in for Desert Bighorn Sheep in AZ??? Well at least my over the counter AZ archery deer tag is still good. Whats a bowhunter to do?

Younghunter, Sounds like your rig will produce around 65KE. I agree with Neo L. on the fixed blade but would at least shoot the 100gr. whether 3 or 4 blade and it would give better FOC. Just try them. I have heart burn with guys that want to shoot elk with a mechanical and only 65KE. Sometimes guys vision can't tell the difference between broadside and 1/4ed, and sometimes the target is moving. Like you surveyed all the trees in the area before the shot.

We really do need to evaluate our language here. If you speak Espanola, you get your own regs printed especially for you. If you speak redneck, you get a lot of spit handed to you from the ones hiring the Espanola’s that are so proper and well educated. You are told you are stupid in so many words. Interesting

Now I am really confused. I am going to go get the spanish version of the regs.

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