El Fuego

I am looking to trade for a enclosed cargo trailer. The trailer needs to be clean, white and tandem axle. I currently have high quality guns (Verona, Kimber and etc.), optics (Swarovski and Leica) and a bow (Matthews DXT) that I would be willing to trade. If you are interested, please contact me through the board. Thanks

GameHauler, Thanks for the note. I need something with larger wheels and tires. Best to you.

I have a Eberlestock that I am willing to sell. It is either the 107, Dragonfly or similar. The pack is in excellent condition and probably 3-4 years old. I believe the color of the pack is Hardwoods. the pack comes with the zip in expander as well. If interested, please send me a email and I will send photos. Thanks, R.T. Henderson Flagstaff, AZ (928) 699-8030

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I have a Kimber 84M in .22-.250 for sale, as follows: - 95% + - Fluted, bull barrel - Beautiful wood with exceptional grain and look - Approximately 100+/- rounds through gun - Leupold Vari-X III, 4.5x-14x with B&C reticle - 0.58" groups $1,200.00 firm, picked up in Flagstaff, Arizona with proper identification. R.T. Henderson hendersonbuilt@msn.com (928) 699-8030

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I have a Leica spotting scope for sale, described as follows: Leica Straight APO 77 20x-60x eye piece Leica case Perfect, like new and only used a few times. $1,500.00 firm, picked up in Flagstaff, Arizona. R.T. Henderson hendersonbuilt@msn.com (928) 699-8030

The following is language straight from a letter that a good friend of mine composed last night. Arizona Game and Fish Dept. 8-1-09 5000 W. Carefree Highway Phoenix, AZ 85086-5000 602-942-3000 To whom it must concern, My name is Xxxx Xxxxxx. I’ve lived in Arizona my entire forty years now. I currently live in Kachina Village just south of Flagstaff, where my family has resided for the past twenty years. I’ve always been an outdoorsman. Hunting, fishing and hiking are my passion. Generally speaking I’ve always been quite proud of you guys at the Arizona Game and Fish Department. Your job managing the wildlife of Arizona, especially the game species is no easy task. I believe you do a fine job allocating such reserved resources to the multitude of us folks wanting to hunt and fish. Both of my kids have gone through your Hunter Education Program. Again you get my kudos! What a fabulous class. It was an honor taking my kids to learn about safety, but most importantly ethics. We hunting sportsmen and women are a demographic in decline. In a world where popular pressure seems to gaining momentum against our tradition, we must up hold ourselves with the highest standards of conduct. This would obviously include humane hunting practices and post kill game care. I pride myself in respecting wildlife in both these aspects. It sickens me to see or learn of others who lack this respect. I’m fortunate to have an Archery Bull Elk tag this year in unit 6a west. It is the second time I’ve drawn this tag in the past few years and I’m excited. I’ve been shooting my bow multiple times a week on an auxiliary Forest Service Rd that runs up a small little draw behind Mountainaire. It is very close to our house and the two communities south of Flagstaff. Mountain bikers, runners and hikers as well other sportsman use this area intensely. It is definitely a wildland-urban interface area. On Friday July 31st I got off work early, as I often do. I loaded up my old Willy’s Jeep and went out to my favorite spot to shoot. The draw is great because I can get all sorts of different angles to practice shooting up hill, down hill, across canyon, etc. I park the jeep to see a flock of vultures fly off. I smell a decomposing carcass and see a chocolate black lump of fur or hair just beyond the point I always place my target. When I go up to investigate I discover a dead black bear. The lack of blood and the fresh tire tracks make it obvious to me that this is a dump site. The head and paws were removed. I was certain some camper over the week had shot this animal and removed the parts of the animal they wanted. This sick person then left the meat and beautiful hide to rot in the mid summer heat. This was the type of thing that makes hunters look like reckless butchers. My stomach turned when I thought of all the non hunting folks who will see this crime scene. I got back into my Jeep to drive home and report it since I had left my cell phone at home. As I drove I thought of all the bear tags I’ve had in my backpack over the years. I thought of late August evenings sitting behind a tripod glassing canyons. Although I’ve seen many bears on dozens of such outings I’m yet to fill a tag. Maybe this year it will all come together. Black bears are an incredible game species in Arizona, and a joy to watch and hunt. We are lucky to have the opportunity. I get angry as think of what must happened to this bear. Storming into my house, I tell my family what I had discovered and I am eager to report this crime. I call the Game and Fish Dept. offices on Lake Mary Rd and speak to very nice woman on the phone. I do not need to describe too much before she asks me if the bear I had found was lacking its head and paws. Once I confirm this; she goes on to explain the bear had been a problem bear in the Kachina Mountainaire area and was euthanized by officials from your department. At first I felt relieved. As I said before I’m a big fan of the Arizona Game and Fish Dept. I understand that bears can lose their fear of humans and can become a health threat in communities such as mine. I jumped back in the jeep and drove back out to enjoy shooting again. With in a few hours though I started wondering what was wrong with this scenario. Everything I had imagined before was actually still real. A bear carcass was still dumped with its head and paws dismembered and left to rot in a wildland urban interface area making hunters look like pigs. I’m not upset with the fact the bear was killed. This was just an unfortunate reality the Arizona Game and Fish Dept. must deal with. What just doesn’t seem right was the disrespect the animal was given after it was killed. If I had legally killed a bear in Arizona and harvested only the head and paws, then dumped its carcass in a frequently visited area and been caught by your officers I would pay a high price for my actions. The double standard is a tough pill to swallow and I hope policy changes will be made by the State of Arizona regarding this act and others like it. I would also strongly encourage you to send out the officials who dumped this bear and have them move it to a less frequented area. I have not shared this find with the news papers. However, I’m certain someone will find this carcass and share their information with the media. This would be bad for all of us. I absolutely look forward to your response regarding this issue and expect a prompt reply. Sincerely, Xxxx Xxxxxx XXX Xxxxx Xxxxxl Flagstaff, AZ 86001 928-XXX-XXXX Now we all know that legally there is a loophole in or near A.R.S. 17-309 and, or 17-302 that will preclude anyone at the AZGFD from experiencing any consequences related to the matter. And we all know that if any one of us were to legally take a bear and let edible portions rot in the field, negative consequences would be inevitable.

Thanks Ron.

Have you given Niles the opportunity to assess as to whether or not there is a problem with their product and install? If not, you should give them an opportunity to do so, as they are an upstanding family business that takes customer satisfaction very seriously.

I have a Wilson booster that works great! On a trip to Pierce, CO, to pick up dogs, I used the booster. I drove from Flagstaff, AZ, through the reservation, to Grand Junction and to Pierce, never not having reception. In fact, I typically had 4 bars (out of 4) of reception the entire trip. I would be more than willing to let someone borrow the booster if they would like. Just send me a PM.

Thanks. I'll be carrying a S&W .357, with 5" barrell, so I should be good (from a legal standpoint) right? Yes, until you are put in a position where you must use it to protect yourself. At that point, the illegal immigrant, drug trafficker or other criminal will possibly have more rights than you. With that being said, I hope you are never put in a situation where you need to use your weapon. Best to you, be safe and remember that Janet Napolitano is head of Homeland Security, so you have no need to worry.

I know both dogs personally and assure that this will be a great litter of pups from a very qualified breeder, trainer and handler. Best to you Todd

Wow that was some terrible shooting!

You should look into some of the dogs within the Arizona Pointing Dog Club. The club, found on the web at www.azpdc.org, has many proven GSP studs within the organization. If you would like names of specific owners and dogs, please PM me.

Your post reminds me of those who are too lazy and lack the character to dispose of a appliance, or other junk and trash appropriately. They choose to dump it off the side of the road as opposed to taking the items to the dump. The dump in this case seems much more fitting in comparison to the urban interface dump site, off the side of the road that was chosen for this bear. And once again, if we were to take the "easy road" and make the poor and lazy choice of dumping a legally taken bear in this manner, anyone of us doing so would be hammered.

I fully understand your point but when we take an animal it's under the classification of hunting unless done illegally, when the States Department tasked with the management of game disposes of a game animal, or non game for that matter, it's under a completely different set of rules and guide lines. Hunters are to follow rules set forth mostly under Title 17, the Department works under department policy and other guidelines. Think of this the same as a Phoenix police officer compared to you or I. (I'm taking it for granted that you're not an LEO so go with me on this) You and I have different rules to follow and are held at much different standards in a court of law if we had to use deadly force vs. a Phoenix police officer. Just like a WM, which is an LEO, they work under and have much different regulations they work under than citizens of the state they are sworn to protect. Things we would do that a LEO does would put you and I behind bars but not a LEO but in return things we do we might only get a minor citation vs. a LEO could face a court case although we both did the same thing. Does that mean I like that differance... nope not all the time, but I understand it and recognize why the difference is there. cmc Thanks again cmc. I am with you.

cmc, Again, great post. Thank you again for offering your perspective and opinions. But, I think you have missed my point, which was; If you, or I were to legally take a bear and discard the animal as it was done in this situation, we would have to face legal consequences.

Good idea. Or, I am sure that someone would pay for a quick notice depredation hunt, keep or dispose of the meat more ethically and have the bear mounted.

Hunt 7112 was kind enough to bring the wheels up to Flagstaff while he and his son fished Lake Mary. I purchased the wheels and wanted to say thank you.

ac guy, That sounds like a much more professional and overall better option as opposed to what has taken place with this situation. Thanks.

cmc, Thanks for your post. My concerns and question are not the problem bear and the need to euthanize the animal due to the circumstances, or the value in research related to the situation. My concerns and question are related to how the animal was discarded in the manner and location that is was. Thanks again for your contribution.

I believe you are correct Rembrant.

Will the wheels fit a 2006? How wide are they? Thanks

I find it ironic that Tyler has offered nothing but positive contributions to this thread, while huntem keeps raring its head with negativity. Thanks for making our case huntem, keep it up.