Bugler

I guess I must've been influenced by an anti posing on this site to take their side. Problem with that theory is that most know the people railing against the azsfw group and have hunted at one time or another with them or seen pics of them with animals here etc etc. I didn't get that part it sounded like we were totally influenced by antis to take on the azsfw and their crusade. Why do I constantly feel like the azsfw and their crusaders talk down to me?

Please let the Leo in the springerville or stafford usfs office know of this depending on which way your heading out. They will do surveillance. I have assisted them a time or two and they do a decent job just understaffed to cover such a large area but they will use dps as well so give em the info .

What did the bill state that would have made Martin or giles intelligible.? I'm sure news channel three would love to link azsfw with something against single moms etc, I for one would love to see that . The time is now to eviscerate the sfw and leave them like a yote for the ravens. Exposé exposé expose

Dude!

My wife's Italian and Swedish she says she's a swop. Her words not mine but it makes me laugh and she Makes great meatballs.

Awesome, are those transplants to that country? I thought they only had the stag there.

They want us to believe they can manage wildlife better than biologists and managers by giving them money. They want us to believe that the end of hunting is imminent. What it's really about is lining the pockets of the azsfw kingpins, allowing the wealthy to hunt trophy animals 365 days a year and destroying the namc. In a nut shell. We are hyper vigilant on this group now and I guarantee anytime the azsfw rears its ugly head they will hear from us the do called "minority!"

Sorry. Behind the backs of AZ sportsmen. The bill would have given 350 or so tags from the general tag pool to the Azsfw c which is the "conservation " arm of the sfw. 50 or so tags would go to the highest bidder the rest raffled off at an expo put on by the azsfw much like utsfw. The monies raised would go back to azsfw for administrative costs of the expo etc and a small portion going to azgfd. Bottom line is that a lot of AZ hunters recognized the people behind the push for the bill and their motives. This is just a small snippet. Their was a lot more to it.

Sure readers digest version. Azsfw tried to pass legislation under an emergency clause behind the backs

Animal house is a classic ! Lmao that at least made me smile.

Sounds like a great idea Donnie.

Willy I have 5 also and no draw on archery . Even put in for a late rifle and nothing

Allen they really hung uP on her? That's. Class for ya. Seems some may have just lost a great deal of personal financial benefit from a public resource. Classy people indeed. JD

I'm hoping any ones last names end with p or after that us the primary applicant? I'm not feelin too good right now kinda queasy .

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Thanks Zim from me and my family. If you ever draw an elk tag here let me know. I'm sure any of us would be willing to help. And thanks to Allen and all involved in the interview. A small snippet with ms cruz was also on at ten. I'm sure things will start to spread now. And to mr wiers I will say thank you at this point and ask that you continue to oppose this bill . I'm giving him the benefit of doubt at this point too. As stated before what else can the man do when he admits he was wrong

Need to research hamberlins ties to ranch access and relationships with ranches like the float etc or maybe gilstraps relation donations to legislators that tried to push this. Again a little time on my hands till I go to work and I'm just in my head.

I wonder if the azsfw had any part in the ranch closure last year for the antelope hunt fiasco. I'm just thinking is all. What a good way to orchestrate things if it was involved. I can't help but think hmm real estat, ranch land, real estate laws, land laws , Alan hamberlin, legislator lobbyist, big money for access. Maybe I'm way off track here just maybe. Or maybe it's the smell in the wind I don't know.

I don't think the results will be up until after 5 tomorrow when their office closes at 5 then they won't get the mass of calls. Either that or sometime Sunday

I was wondering when it was going to get to the pay the rancher for land access seeing how bj mentioned he's hot a "few" head of livestock . I thought about it when he posted it. I tell you how I get around it. If the land is checkerboard and I want to hunt it I do . Maybe not trespass on the private which is usually a very small portion of bottom land etc so a great map is something to have. Your not gonna keep me off land that belongs to the public that you lease to graze then sell off livestock to make money . That being said I've had my share of raising beef in az and nm. Winter here summer there. But what belongs to the citizen needs to stay with the citizen. Mr. Mears who in your family owns a ranch or who are you good friends with that does? You still havnt answered my question about Hamberlin.

And gets to possibly put money towards "admin". Costs associated with an expo.

BJ you didn't answer my question

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Johnson. The current auction tag monies go to azgfd to be used specifically for conservation efforts whic is good. I'm pretty sure the same thing cannot be said for the proposed legislation if one were to read it. Tell me how the sfw has helped Utah? I think we've all seen the numbers by now. Tell me why would Hamberlin spend so much of his personal money on getting this passed and please for god sake don't say he hasn't because I know for a fact he has. Is it because hes so happy to spend his money for the wildlife of our state? Tell me a businessman like him that does this. Nope that's not sound business unless there's somethin in it for him. A little education. I know the people behind the scenes. I know what they stand to gain from it. It pays to listen sometimes. So now go ahead and defend it. Would like to hear it really .

Thanks Allen and everyone for doing this.