bonecollector777

Factual article or not do the simple math. Doesn't take a genius to see that if we have 200,000 deer in Arizona and lions and hunters kill over 200,000 deer a year after 1 year there would be nothing left. 200,000-201,000= -1000= no deer= impossible that lions eat a deer every 3 days or every 7 days for that matter. I have heard it many times from avid deer hunters or from the AZGFD but the numbers don't lie. AZGFD actually says there are over 4000 lions in Arizona so think about that one. 3000 deer killers on the loose relentlessly killing deer every 3-5 days plus the AZGFD relentlessly giving out way to many tags equals over 400,000 deer dying in Arizona alone. Another thing to think about. All of us on the site are out in the woods more in one year than most people their whole lives. I bet you can count on one hand how many lion kills you have found. I bet I can tell you that of the hundreds of days in the woods a year I have found 1 lion kill. If these lions are leaving a trail of destruction where is the evidence? Now leaving 31 sheep in front of 30+ lions is a different story. Just like if someone left a big T bone steak in front of me day after day. And then after I ate it they brought me more.

Give me some time to look up the other states for you AZwest. JLW already got me going on Ohio. I never said those organizations were bad and that they don't help the animals. In fact I feel that those private organizations devoted to different species are the only reason we have the populations of animals we have today. I would hate to see it if only the AZGFD took care of the animals. That would be like leaving hundreds of hungry lions to watch over 31 sheep.. . . Oh wait. .

Well at least they have made someone happy. . Tell me what habitat they have improved or any hunting unit they have improved the quality of game or numbers of game? Those organizations are gonna work on the water catchment whether azgfd helps them or not. Because those organizations do it for the sole purpose of helping while the azgfd does it for money.They may have a few good ones but every one I have run into is a arrogant power hungry d bag. Then throw in all the incidents that have been coming up with them breaking the law and getting away with it and that's enough for me. It's gonna take more than going and fixing a water tank for me to think differently of them.

That's not true at all. . Even if deer hunters tell you that. Just do the math. Approximately 2000 lions in arizona. Let's say 1/4 are kittens that don't kill. So 1500 deer eaters. 1500X122 Deer a year means that 183,000 deer die every year. Throw in deer killed by hunters and that's over 200,000 deer a year. We would run out of deer within a year.

They kill a sheep a week

False. . A lion doesn't kill a deer a week.

Holy smokes . . How in the world did you end up so far back into the threads? Must have been terribly bored.

Nice bull but did the scorers give him a 60 inch spread credit to get him to 378? Looks more like 350-360 max

Cards hit on the 10th of march and results out 18th of march at 9:30 AM

Camofire has some decent ones for good prices

I figured so. Smokin deal at that price. I didn't have time to try and PM you about the 300wm.

PM sent

Didn't take long!

Never looked through the 20X56 but I can't see how much light can get into them. The exit pupil is less than 3mm. The 15X56's is almost 4 mm and the 12X50's is like 4.2mm. To match light gathering capabilities the 20X would have to be 20X80mm or something similar. Just don't see the need for 20's when you can get 15 or 12's. If you want extra power buy a spotting scope that you can get some good light gathering with.

I think you took that a little too literal swarovskicoues.

I'd have to say small coyote

Gonna get dumped on up there! I'd hold off till next weekend if you could.

Only place I have heard of with buffalo hunts up in NE New Mexico would be Vermejos park ranch. But that's a lot bigger than 22,000 acres. And probably a lot more than $2000 haha

Supposed to get a good storm this weekend so hopefully it helps a little.

Thank you for actually researching this. Lance, maybe you can do the same next time before posting bogus info. Did you actually research anything yourself? Or just wanted to jump in after reading her comment and say something as if you have known you could hunt there the whole time? There are plenty of laws we all read that sounds a certain way so we think it is that way. Just like a bunch of other people thought it was that way.

Not that I know of!

Uh... that's DH Patrick haha

That's what he wanted you to think Patrick. . That is the first of many posts like this you will see in the next couple weeks so don't fall for it!

You lost me there hunthard . . What?

Not true. . Cabelas warranty changed to lifetime warranty on manufacturers defects only after 1 year. If you break them after that you're screwed. Vortex is the only one with the unconditional warranty for life. And the vortex razor 12X 50 ' s are about as good as it gets without spending $2000. They are both very close but with the vortex warranty it was a no brainer for me to go for the vortex.