CouesWhitetail

Hi Josh, If they are pics you are gonna have me post anyway, then I can just give you the address so you can link them in the discussion forum. Looks like Scott Adams using hunt101.com for hosting pics, but I went there and can't figure out where they have that service. Amanda

Nice pics Scott. Thanks for sharing your hunt with us! Amanda

I really doubt putting out salt can hurt when it comes to attracting deer. It may be that the deer don't need that water source as much as they did the year you first sat it, so they are just not in the area as much. It's hard to say exactly what is going on without knowing more about the area. Anyone else have any experience like that with salt? Also, anyone have any advice on what kind of mineral blocks are most liked by Coues deer? I have heard from some people that they put out mineral blocks and they don't get used. But that is the exception. Amanda

There is also a good article in the Dec 2003/jan 2004 issue of BuckMasters whitetail magazine about calling deer. If someone wants a copy, let me know. It's not specific to Coues, but it talks about the different noises they make and how to use them. Amanda

Nice bucks! Congratulations. Let me know if you want me to post that in our regular photogallery. If you do, send me an email with more details about the hunt. Amanda

Here is the link where the distribution map is: Where to Hunt When you see the state map on that page, click on it and you can see a larger version of it. That will give you some general ideas. And from that page you can look at the draw odds and success rates, which can also help you figure out the density of deer in a unit. And you can look at the survey data from AZGFD. Sorry I can't give you better help, but I don't know those northern units very well. Hopefully someone who does will give you some good advice. In the meantime, you can check out the info I mentioned. Like Wyorawhide says, there are some big bucks that come out of 6A. Amanda

Coueschaser, Got any pics of that monster???? Amanda

Coueschaser, You can read a bit about what people have seen in the Hunting in Arizona, December Hunters posts. From what I have seen in 24A, the rut is just starting. I saw some smaller bucks chasing does around. And I saw some monster bucks alone by themselves. But I also one large buck with a doe, but not chasing her around. So it seems like it's just starting. I am giving in a few more days to heat up before I go back out. Amanda

You guys talking about the Primos "easy estrus bleat" or the Primos "hyper estrus bleat" can. The "hyper estrus" bleat can is smaller and higher pitched, so I was wondering if that was better for Coues deer. Anyone know a good place to get one of those calls in PHX/Mesa area? Amanda

Congrats to those of you who got your bucks! Don't forget to send in some photos and hunt stories if you write something up. Amanda

Hey Allen, Glad to hear you got a trip lined up. I am going down as well. Probably Jan 21st or so. Can't wait!! You will have to let us know how it goes! Amanda

Hi All, I just got back from 3 days backpacking in 24A. Was a great hunt, but didn't connect yet. Saw lots of deer, lots of bucks, and at least two that would go about 100 inches. But one of those bucks had his right side broken off after the eyeguard. But man did he look good on his left side. nice eyeguards, tall seconds, kinda short 3rds, but wide and long main beams (at least based on his unbroken side!). He was with a doe and following her around. Another buck followed them. Saw several smaller bucks running does around. Even a spike chasing a fawn. So the rut is starting, but the big boys are not quite into it yet. Mostly the younger bucks. We camped out thursday night during the rain and snowstorm. We didn't have a tent, just bivy sacks. Made for a long night! here are a few pics from opening morning. It was a very cold day and very foggy. Tough to glass anywhere past 50 yards! But the next two days were stellar. Scott, I was really wishing I had your goats and your kifaru tent!!! Amanda

Jason, Thanks for posting the info. It's good to know. Amanda

Thanks for mentioning it Jason. I will go check my copy now. Amanda

Larry, You should consider getting a copy of Duwane and Tony's "How to Hunt Coues deer" book. It has lots of info about where to hunt in each unit. And advice on whether the units have good bucks in them or not. Here is a link to where you can buy the book from this website: How to Hunt Coues Deer book I personally haven't hunted 34 or 35, but I think that 34A and B should be good. They have the Santa Rita Mtns and the Whetstones. I have been on Fort Huachuca (35A) and there is some great Coues habitat there. But you pretty much have to be military to hunt there. 35B should be good in the Patagonia Mtns and the Canelo Hills. But Duwane (in his book) says the success has been low there and that unless you have the December hunt you many not want to try that unit. Amanda

I think units 29, 36 and 32 would be good units. I would avoid 30B due to low Coues deer densities. I hunted that unit once and didn't really enjoy it. 30A could be really good in the Peloncillos, but I haven't been in there. It just looks like good country for Coues. Here is a link to the draw odds that I have posted on my site: Draw odds - AZ rifle Check those out and look at the survey data which I have posted: Survey data On those pages I give info on how to use the data to figure out which units to hunt. That stuff should help you out. Amanda

I think they will be rutting earlier this year since I think we got some well-timed rains to help with plant growth for their nutrition. I can't wait! The weather has started turning cold. I could see my breathe tonight. And it rained quite a bit today. Amanda

Have fun in the Galiuros!! I have done some backpack hunting in there too and it is awesome! Let us know how you do! I am heading out this weekend in Unit 24A and I just can't wait. Gonna backpack hunt a really neat area I have scouted a few times. Amanda

Jesus, I don't know if the Phantom caller will work on Coues Deer, but it sounds pretty similar. I imagine that it would. Maybe it's not perfectly like Coues deer, but they are WT and those are WT calls, so I think it's probably close enough. I haven't tried it because the thing is expensive. But I have been dying to! Anyone out there ever used it for Coues??? Amanda

Robert, Thanks for taking the time to post all this info. I know several of the calls you are talking about, but I don't think I know the dove-like call you mentioned. I will have to listen for it. We should make you walk around with a tape recorder! Then we would all be able to hear it. Here is a link to a site that I mentioned in a hunt story I wrote. It is a link to Phantom calls and you can play the calls that Robert is talking about (the different grunts, the doe bleat). It doesn't have the scream, although I have heard that one and you are right, it's very disturbing (and I heard it from far away, I can imagine how unnerving it would be right next to me!). Phantom calls Anyone else heard that dove-like call he is talking about? Thanks again for sharing your advice and experience Robert. Amanda

More D - I did that with some Coues does. Walked right up to them while they were watching me. I was just talking photos of them. There is hunting pressure there where I did it, but not much, so maybe they had no real reason to fear me. Robert -- Have you seen a change in the distribution of water where you hunt in the wilderness? I find that deer move significantly if their water sources dry up. I have some places where I used to see a lot of deer, but they have had to move to different parts of a mountain because now only one water source is available. Maybe water has dried up where you used to see so many deer? AZ4life - I know a guy who lived that ultimate scenario of lion/deer that you were talking about. He was able to shoot a lion that was attacking a buck and then get the buck too. Awesome story. Amanda

I think the most I have seen in a group was 7 bucks and it was during a November hunt in the Chiricahuas. It was in a place that my friend had recommended I hunt and he called it "six buck city" since several years ago when he hunted it there was a group of 6 bucks. This year, I have only seen small groups of bucks. Usually 2 together. Like AZ4Life, I have also seen groups of bucks following around a group of does during the rut. When I see this, usually the big buck is just waiting patiently for the does to be ready, while the smaller bucks are more whipped up and chase the does around. My guess is that the big buck will tolerate the smaller ones only while the doe is not ready to breed. Once she is ready, I imagine he will fight off the interlopers. I have also seen single bucks tending single does during the rut. This year, all I need is to see the right buck during my December hunt . Amanda

I included that graph to show you the range of dates and peaks of antler polishing, antler shedding, fawning and breeding for Coues deer. I know it's a big image, but it's easier to read it that way I think and I didn't want to take the time to shrink it down. That graph is from the Coues deer life stages section on this web site. If you want to read more, click on this link: Coues Life Stages I just posted those links for easy access to those who have not yet read that section. CHD - yes everything really is about 2 months later than northern deer. And it does take some getting used to. Antler polishing takes place in Sept/October, shedding antlers takes place in April/May. I always hate having to wait that long in the desert to get some sheds because it is so darn hot by then! Peak breeding is late Dec to mid-Jan. Mule deer tend to peak their breeding in Nov/Dec. As always, nutrition strongly influences the dates that things peak in any given year. Peak fawning for Coues tends to be in August. I am not completely sure how much different the desert muleys are from the more northern mule deer in terms of antler growth and breeding. Maybe some other people on this forum know better than I do. And yes, the Coues deer in the northern part of their range start breeding a little earlier than in the southern part of their range. So deer in Mexico rut a little later. Maybe some of you guys that have hunted Mexico have some experience to share with regard to this. Amanda

Yes, I think a big buck will flag when alarmed. But I also know that a big buck seems less likely to spook and run than a smaller buck or does/fawns. They are likely to try and hide or slink out unobserved. If you read the hunt story by Martin Guerena in my hunt story section, you will understand what I mean by a big buck hiding while the does ran. And I also find that the big bucks when travelling in bachelor groups in Nov will allow the smaller bucks to "expose" themselves first. Usually the biggest buck will be following, or allowing the little buck to step out of cover first. Have you guys noticed that? As far as waving the flag, I can't say I remember watching them wave, but I imagine they do sometimes. All the times I can think of they have put it straight up. Perhaps Travis is right that Coues don't do it often. I will have to start watching for that consciously now! Amanda

Hi GG, I don't know that unit well, but another place you can search for info and make a post is on the excellent JavelinaHunter.com web site. I believe the guy that runs that site hunts the Tortillitas. Hopefully someone here in CW.com will have some help for you too. here is the link to that other site: JavelinaHunter.com Amanda