youngbuck
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I've mentioned this on this site before. If you start bickering with guys who hunt legally, but different that you (not the same ethics as you), you make it easier for people to reduce the amount of hunting. I doesn't matter if the hunter likes salt licks, corn, radios, 426x binos, rifles that will shoot 3 miles, primitive gear, dogs, neon jumpsuits, or having 42 guys help him glass. If it is legal, leave it be. It might not be your way, but it may be legal. If they take away whatever it is that makes a single person or group of people spend time in the hills, they won't be out there. If they aren't out there enjoying the outdoors, they aren't going to help you when some one wants to take your ability to hunt with a bow, rifle, or whatever you enjoy most. I don't see any old trappers holding picket signs or organizing groups to preserve our right to hunt. They are gone, someone took what they enjoyed most about the outdoors away from them. I sure wish I was there to do something, or at least say I helped. I wasn't old enough to understand what was going on.
The more we allow others to control how and when we hunt, will hinder our ability to do what we enjoy. I don't want "the man" telling me what to do, or how to live my life. I also understand that new laws will be passed. Sometimes the governing body feels a jump in technology increases our hunting odds too much. Case in point, Idaho's limit on rifle weight.
If you look back and see what hunting rights/privileges have been taken away and awarded, you can see the general direction things are heading. Antis are always looking for a way to limit our ability to do what we love. We don't need to be limiting ourselves or other "unethical" groups if they are legal. We're just doing the hard work for those who hate our way of life. There are some stupid people in this world who do stupid things. There are also some dumb laws. I can't go out and slap some guy just because he's an idiot. I wish I could sometimes. People do things I don't agree with all the time, outdoors related or not. The great thing about living in a FREE country is that you are able to make those choices for yourself. You can't fix stupid, regardless of how many laws you pass.
Donnie, that wasn't aimed at you or anyone else in particular. I read it back and it seemed that way with all the "you's".
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Scoutm brought up a good point about seating depth. If you seat them deep enough to fit in the magazine, it takes up some case capicity. Those 180s and 190s are real long so this will happen. Some guys run LA for the WSMs, so they can seat the bullets way out there. and use the box mag. Another thing is the velocity drops off when you shoot those ultra heavy bullets. I wouldn't count out 160gr pills; 162 A-max, 160 accubonds, Bergers. The heavies are definately worth a try, but can get real finiky when you want it to be a repeater. They also "need" a faster barrel twists. YOu could get lucky though and have a slower twist barrel that likes bullets that are heavier. You can crunch numbers and ballistics a bunch and those 180+ bullets may not be any benefit. There may be some benefits, but those ultra heavy 284s are better suited in a STW/RUM/7-300WM, IMO. It sounds like you have a plan though. I build rifles in my head all the time, I just have a hard time making my wallet agree with me.
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I saw a whopper at Forest Lakes Saturday mid-morning driving by. Any guess on a score on that one?
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Some how I missed DB's link. It is a good one.
I posted a little on the other forum about the WSM. The qualities people are looking for in LR rig performance is, velocity at target, energy at target, wind bucking ability, flat shooting, and recoil. The cost figues to add in are cost of brass, cost of bullets, overall weight, and barrel life. To get some of these, you have to sacrafice something else. You can't have it all. If you want velocity, dont expect good barrel life. If you want energy, you can't have light recoil. For a 1 gun to cover everything, I would split all the criteria evenly. If you want something specific for a specific task, you'll have to sacrafice even more. Most of the time that means barrel life, brass and bullet cost, and heavy recoil if you want a "performer". I've always thought the 7 rem mag and 300WM are great "cover everything" guns. I also like 7STWs and 300RUMs, but they sacrafice some things. I shoot a few different cartridges my LR stuff. They all do different things better. I don't expect my 7mm to have enough energy at 1k for an elk, but brass isn't $3 a piece for that. My RUM packs a punch with the 208gr bullets, but it is a barrel burner and I can't use it for killing rocks every weekend. The more time you spend shooting, the more you will realize what qualities you like. I always like hot-rod calibers, but I shoot a lot more than I used to now. I value barrel life a little more now than I used to. The 7RM and 300WM aren't going anywhere. They have been performers for years, and will continue to do so. They might not seem as cool as a lot of other newer cartridges, but they are popular for a reason.
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i like the 270wsm because the lighter recoil, but how hard will it hit at farther ranges?
It depends on how far farther is. There isn't too many choices of high BC bullets for a 270. I suppose 150gr Berger are pretty good, wildcats are better of you can get a hold of some. I'm not sure if JLK or Cutting Edge makes any, might be worth a look. Don't get me wrong 270 is a great caliber. It isn't the best choice for LR work. A 7mm has a ton of bullets choice; different BCs, bonded, non bonded, solids, varmint up to 180gr. If I was going to build a gun on a SA it would be a 6.5WSM or a 7WSM. I eventually want to build a really light mountain rifle. If you are going to go to Africa, you'll have enough money to get what ever you want. I'm a big fan of the regular 7rem mag, but also understand your want for a SA. If you are wanting to do LR work, I think you'd be shooting yourself in the foot, limiting the "cover everything" factor if you go for a 270. That may change in the future with more bullets. There are a ton of hunting bullets for a 270, but there are better otions for LR stuff. Millions have critters have fallen to the 270. Read some on Jack O'Connor or ask Lark. I would just go with a 7mm or a 30 cal if I was going to stretch it past 5/600yds. If you were going to go with a 30 cal, I would prefer a 300WM. You may run into seating depth issues with heavy bullets on a shorter action in the WSM. I think any of the chamberings mentioned here would work fine in AZ, or most of North America. There are some better choices though, if you figure in cost, available components, recoil, and LR stuff.
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If It was me, I would opt for the 7WSM in your list of choices. If you were going for a super-light rifle with no brake, maybe a 6.5mm. 7WSM won't need a brake for 162gr-ish bullets. I have never shot any 180s in a .284 so I don't know about that one. I would opt for a break with the bigger 7mms; STW or RUM . I would opt for a WSM over the SAUM, just because of the availability of brass. There is nothing in AZ a 7mm bullet won't handle; elk, deer, rabbits, whatever. There are a lot of good bullet choices in 7mm for hand loading. There are enough bullet choices to do what ever you want with it. There is also a good selection of factory 7wsm ammo, or there was 4 years ago when I last looked. It all depends on how much you are going to shoot it at rocks/paper, how much weight you want to haul around, whether it will have a brake or not, and how recoil sensitive you are. Hot-rods are not good for killing rocks often, if you want the tube to last. Light guns kick like a mule, and heavy ones aren't fun to lug around. Muzzle brakes are loud, you will need muffs, there won't be any jump shooting with a good brake that works, well at least if you want your ears to work after. Some guys develop a flinch, especially from going with a big boomer to start off with. 6.5mm are big with the recoil sensitive crowd. I think in your list the 7WSM is the best "cover all" chambering. There are better choices for very specific applications, but very few for a 1 rifle/chambering for everything.
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I still have this one.
It shoots .40 cal bullets.
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This video is definitely worth the time. Thanks for the link Tony. I watch more documentaries than just about anything else on TV. This is one of the better ones I've watched.
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I saw Gunner's goat. Heck of a buck. I was sorry to hear about his broken legs, I hope he heals up well. Congrats guys.
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The best combo mount I've ever seen is in Liar's Korner. It is a chucker and pheasant. They have a great name for it, and it isn't a "cheasant".
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I bought a new camera a while back from Niel @ Cameraland. As always service was top notch. I also recently got access to some photoshop software. Both are new to me and there is a lot to learn with both. Anyways here are a couple pics. A big thanks to RR for a lot help with camera stuff.
This lightning pic was taken tonight. I've tried a couple different nights, and this was the best shot. I had a really good opportunity to take some more Sunday night. The storm skirting Prescott was insane. It was really late, and I didn't stop. I was chasing elk all day and beat down, wish I would have stopped.
This was a pic I took while scouting for deer over the summer.
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Call Talley and tell them what scope you have. They may be able to tell you what height you need. You can probably buy direct from them or a number of online retailers
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I've seen archery rhino hunts in Africa like that. I wonder what their rig is to shoot the dart, or if they act like cattle with a grain bucket out. They guarantee the hunt and say it is a 1 day deal.
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They were about $50 per set. very solid mounts
That is also a base too. The base and lower ring are made from one piece of machined aluminum. The Talley lightweights are on par for price with Leupold ring/base combo, but worlds better. When I mount another scope without a rail, it will always be with the Talley lightweights. I've had problems with Leupold base/ring combos, never a problem with the Tally setup.
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I've never seen that video or heard of Rand Paul before. Thanks for the link DB.
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Nice pics and great buck. My face would be stuck like that too, looks like you had a miserable time.
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I would call or visit Outdoorsmans. I would also go with the Talley lightweight 1 piece ring/base. If Outdoorsmans has them, they should have different heights to try on your rig and see what fits well.
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Congrats! That thing is crazy; G1s especially, as are the 3s, 4s, and the extra "crows foot" points.
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Chasing goats with a bow is a humbling experience. I was fortunate enough this year to help on an archery antelope hunt. It was pretty cool watching a guy sneak up on a lope, closer than 100 yards, hiding behind basketball size clumps of sage brush. I always though it would be a tough hunt. I had no idea how tough, until I saw it. If you have a spot with lots of goats, I'd say go for it. You will likely need many back up bucks. I would suggest helping on archery antelope hunt before you sign up for one. It is a big hill to climb, but guys tag out on pronghorn every year using bows.
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I heard they have been working on some for a while now. They could probably sell them for as much as they want. I bet they will be more then The Leicas or Zeiss.
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Let us know what you find. Ive been looking at one of these for a while now. If you don't mind post up what you had to pay and how long the install takes. I'm assuming this is for Verizon. I was looking at the Wilson Sleek. http://www.wilsonelectronics.com/ProductListing.aspx?Category=7&title=Cradle+Boosters
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Im on Guadalupe and Ellsworth.
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I just got back from seeing the buck first hand. First off, congrats to Steve! I can't think of a more deserving guy. He is my uncle, and one of the guys, along with my dad, who would take me hunting when I was kid. He and my dad are the reason I enjoy hunting as much as I do. He is an archery guy. I'm sure being able to take this buck with a bow, means a lot to him. Pictures can't do this buck justice. He looks like a freak in the pictures, but the mass is very deceiving. I didn't put a tape on him. The MB I measured out with my hand is over 18" for reference. I can also tell you it is 100% coues, IMO. The face is darker than most coues though. Nothing about this buck says hybrid to me. On the contrary, brows like that, are the things big muleys dream about. Even holding this buck it is hard to start adding up numbers. Everything is proportionately, freakishly huge. After holding the buck, I dont think close to 140 gross is an exageration. Regardless of how the deductions add up, or where in the books he falls, he is a super stud. Congrats Steve and Rusty!
If anybody has a recent P&Y book I would like to know what the top ten are. PM me if you know.
gonna double down on coues this year
in Rifle hunting for Coues Deer
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That would make a cool hero pic. Best of luck! I've wanted to use my old man's win m94 trapper on a Coues hunt. I'll need to leave my other rifles at home, because it never makes it up on the hill.