HuntHarder

Because of the pepper spray?

I think it would be great, if they make their case, by getting a trail cam pic of a guy checking his trail cams. hahahahahaha

Sweet! I might have to dust off the shotguns and get out there. Seems like most are having a pretty good quail year. I have been so immersed in Big game hunting the last 10 years that I lost my mojo for quail and duck hunting.

Fixed it for you.

Miss or just not get a shot? I know the feeling of helping out only to watch a perfect situation somehow turn to shhitt. Frustrating as all heck and probably double in a walk in wilderness only. Like other's have said, a good couple day or week break always helps recharge the batteries.

Hahahaha🤣

Guys won't sit 45 days unless they have the auction or raffle tag hunter. Guides are notoriously broke and can't afford to sit 45 days with no compensation. Let's say a few defy that logic, its still far less than the 200 cameras they have spread out over 100's of miles. They are gonna have to commit to certain areas instead if covering 100's of miles and then committing to an area.

Come on man! Some of these scenarios are 1 and a million. Grasping for straws, if you will. Like everything else in life, the big players/offenders are their intended targets. Anyone else remember all the ridiculous scenarios when baiting was gonna get banned? I havnt heard of anyone charged with baiting that wasn't intending to bait..

Are you saying pre- trail camera's, guys sat every water tank and had spot light posse's. OR have the guides gotten so dependent on their information that, that is how they will operate if they get banned? I do not remember the animals being completely nocturnal prior to trail cameras. Do you honestly think guys will spend full days in the field sitting tanks to, in essence, be a trail camera? I think some of the major players might. I do not think the guys who run and grab a guide's license and call themselves guides will tho. The "weekend warrior" guys certainly will not.

I would get behind a season before I commit to an all out ban. I feel like something has to be done. I like the idea of a 6 month season Aug 1st- Jan. 1st. First time offenders should be automatically barred from any camera use for 5 years as well as complete investigation costs recovered. Possession during the closed season should be treated like lead shot while waterfowl hunting. Any possession while in the field shall constitute use.

You even hunt Bruh?

It's the tripod. Get yourself one of the bigger manfrotto carbon's. I use the 290 carbon and it handles my 80mm scope pretty well.

So, are you saying the books do think trail cameras are a fair chase issue?

Cameras absolutely 100% increase the odds of an animal being killed. I used to run 10-20 cameras between my buddy and I. It 100% helped us narrow down an area to hunt. I have killed plenty of non- trophy class animals that I had on camera. I was hunting that area because I had bigger animals on camera, but they do not get that big being dumb. In my experience, I have never killed a giant that I had on camera here in Az. In ND, we usually shoot the bigger animals we have on camera because it is a lot more private land. Do not get me wrong, I love to use trail cams. I just see the problem they create and it is only getting bigger as the years go on. Animal #'s are on the decline for many different reasons but I do think hunter technology advancement has contributed to the issue. Do you think we let technology keep advancing and never make new laws? It's just a matter of time before a company skirts some laws on the books and comes out with the next game changer. Airbows, smokeless MLer's to name a few.

LOL. Nice try. I use trail cameras, I muzzleloader hunt. I bow hunt. I rifle hunt. If you support all legal methods of hunting, you will soon support not using trail cameras. The only ones who are upset, are the guys that depend on cameras to kill animals. If you can step out of your bubble and look at things from other's point of view it may help. I personally have seen how easy hunting is with cellular trail cams. In the eastern/ midwest states, they use them extensively and it makes killing animals easier 100%. Those were legal here 2 years ago. Do you not think that companies are always trying to invent things to make hunting even easier? When you hunt different states and see how their rules affect their game, it will open your eyes to a lot of new things. Alaska's Wan Ton waste rules are strict as heck and it HELPS prevent wildlife waste. North Dakota's ML rules allow no more than a 1x scope and it helps keep muzzleloaders more primitive. In North Dakota, there are VERY few surprise animals that show up anymore. Chances are, you or your neighbor has pics of him. This same thing is happening in certain units here. dang near EVERY big deer is known about with multiple guys knowing his where abouts with very little effort. Animal populations are on the down swing, so a little bit of conservation and restriction is not always a bad thing.

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So many rebels and outlaws in here who will continue to run cameras if they get banned. Reminds me of the baiting debacle that went down a few years ago. So many big talkers, yet the number of piles of corn, buck jam and others I used to see in the field went to almost Nil. A game wardens job is to enforce the law. Whether it be for illegal use of cameras or poaching or OUI. The world is not ending, hunting is not ending, everyone will be ok, I promise. Big deer are still gonna get killed. Big elk are still gonna get killed. As with anything else, a few guides shined a spotlight on a problem, in some people's eyes, and we will all get punished for it. As technology evolves, it is inevitable that laws will need to be made to try and keep the playing field as level as possible. States with Muzzleloader restrictions on sights and scopes is just another example of trying to level the playing field. I think of rifle season as basically an open weapon season. The muzzleloader and archery seasons need to have some kind of primitive nature to them. Everyone draws that line in different spots. We have seen it with archery when the Air bow got introduced. I would also like to see it with ML's that are able to shoot smokeless and be accurate to 500 yards. The modern compound bow has not really changed a whole heck of a lot in the past 20 years, ML'ers have. I mean, Mathews had the black max out in like 2000 that shot 340 FPS IBO. Bows today average maybe 350 IBO. I, for one, am really looking forward to the tears at the public input meeting.

I hope AGFD buys a few new trailers so they can fill them up with cameras they confiscate!

Ill make you a deal, I have 2 brand new and a few used ones. Nw valley

Really easy to eliminate cameras i think. Most wardens know who the big players are in their units. They know where they hunt. Sure, there will be those who try to defy it, but they will continually lose cameras and sooner or later, they will either hike in further or stop all together

Anyone want to buy some cameras?

I vote ban! Makes enforcing it easier.

I always look forward to threads when ThomC posts. Never lets me down with ridiculous ideas. 😷

Great buck! The little sticker points just makes him even sweeter. Tough buck for just about anyone to pass on that hunt.

Do lots of non-hunters use trail cameras in the woods? I get that there is always going to be those guys, who are hunters, but claim they only like to look at the pictures and they don't use them for hunting. I still think most will follow the law.