trophyseeker

Tough to win a game when several cylinders of the engine didn't even fire up.

And the end results will be basically the same as the ones now being gathered using voluntary reporting & statistical analysis. 🙄

So are they also going to have the rifle hunters filing mandatory reports so G&F can ACCURATELY know whether the archers reach 20%??

Apple & oranges. All it takes is a couple of honest hunters reporting their female bear kills. And then there's this... Hunters are also required to contact the Arizona Game & Fish Department on the website or by phone at the same number within 48 hours after taking a bear. In addition, the hunter shall present the bears skull, hide, and attached proof of sex for inspection within 10 days of taking a bear. If a hunter freezes the skull or hide before presenting it for inspection, the hunter shall prop the jaw open to allow access to the teeth and ensure that the attached proof of sex is identifiable and accessible.

Two separate violations. The permit issue would be pursued by the USFS. The report issue would be up to AGFD to pursue. Obviously for G&F to bring that charge, they knew he guided someone without the permits & didn't list them on the report. They likely concluded it was a calculated attempt to avoid anyone from knowing where he had taken the hunters & not just a brain fart. In general, G&F issues don't come before the commission unless they are already adjudicated elsewhere, i.e. a court, and are found or plea guilty. That's when the commission gets involved with license suspensions/revocations.

Yup.

They are already able to spot trends. That's what they have been doing for decades with both the overall game counts & the random surveys -- both done with the obvious biases that come with each. Regardless how mandatory any report is, it will never be accurate. Some archery hunters who kill deer in their favorite units aren't likely to report them when they know it could end their hunting in those units. So when they get to 20% for a unit, it's likely much higher than that. That's why the random reporting is no less accurate when used through the various filters. Lastly, the 20% archery kill vs rifle kill has more to do with managing people, not animals. It doesn't matter whether it's an arrow or bullet that kills a deer when it comes to managing numbers. All that matters is the total harvest in any unit.

I thought you needed accurate info? Aerial surveys result in guess & by golly estimates. What good is mandatory reporting if you don't have accurate population figures, i.e. mandatory count of every head of game? Anything else is "garbage in," thus garbage out.

Here's the data from the mandatory reports. Answer the question. So let's see...except for the other 24 guys who also killed but lied on their report, honest hunters reported killing130 bucks in ##unit last year. What percentage of the herd in that unit was killed?

All Guide License holders are required to report their guiding activity to the department by January 10 following the license year. A Guide Report is required to be submitted even if no persons were guided. Simply indicate, “No Persons Guided,” on the report.

The way you get into trouble is to be found guilty of signing something required by law to verify that it's true when it isn't. The specifics are irrelevant.

I was attempting to make that point but no one seems anxious to solve the problem I posed. 🤣

Adicted said: "what does that mean exactly. Break it down" He LIED on the form that he fills out for AGFD.

Just guessing...but getting caught lying on a mandatory report would likely result in the same charge & punishment for an individual.

Falsifying a guide's report

No takers to the above, eh?????

So let's see...except for the other 24 guys who also killed but lied on their report, honest hunters reported killing130 bucks in ##unit last year. What percentage of the herd in that unit was killed?

It was in each of the AGFD press releases.

You're probably right. At first glance it looked too pointed for an alligator.

Appears to be a croc.

"Animals harvested during limited-entry permit-tag seasons are excluded from annual bag limits. "

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That was my thought, as well.

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