Zeke-BE

Even if your not shooting its still fun to spot and watch bullet impacts. Thats half the fun

In defense of the Berger I have seen more bullets written about not working at longer range. Bullet slows down and doesn't expand the way its suppose to. My buddy shot his elk (good shot placement) at 750 yards dropped and then got back up again. (never to be found). He shot it with a 30-378, 230 grain Berger. At 700 yards energy is the same as a .270 at 100 yards. But I seen Bergers and seen lots of write ups about bergers expanding like a champ at closer shots. Even Berger website shows the gelatin reaction of their shots. Nosler accubond LR are opposite. People have written (i have not seen it yet myself) about how well it expands at slower speeds but just pencil threw at fast speeds. Lots of variables that happens with bullets, to fast, to slow, no energy, not enough, bullet construction, BC, and shot placement. But to say one is all you need to worry about is silly in my mind.

^^^ Does anybody have a link to show real results or studies on these matter. I believe in this order on how bullets should be looked at. 1. Shot placement 2. Bullet construction 3. Energy For the perfect shot I believe all three need to come together. For example Lances pour yote see above. BeardAZ if his bullet was constructed a solid steel bullet, expansion would of not of happen and pencil through. The energy behind it would cause a good 1-1/4 hole. (my belief only) A well constructed bullet while expanding with energy is going to expand the energy wider due to the expansion of the bullet. Go ahead and shoot an apple with a .22 solid point. It shoots right through with a thumb size hole on the other side. Shoot it then with a hollow point .22 and watch the back half of the apple explode. People on here only report of what they have seen. But it would be nice a magazine company or website company do a third party shoot out and see how bullets compare in a lot of scenarios. That would be a awesome write up.

Lancing Mission or Detroit mission??

How about the shooters pitch in and you BBQ some lunch out there????

BIG!!!!!!

Awesome congrats guys

You been living out there lately! Any stalks or close encounters yet???

The creedmoor what bullet did you shoot?

When out dove hunting didn't you say you found pieces of it up in the tree's???

I heard there was a fubar kinda deal here. I cant wait for the whole story!!

Nice bucks

Its funny how some animals look bigger and look cooler, but yet score smaller! And at the same time you are looking at a trophy and it scored high and you ask yourself "really"!!! It doesn't look all that big. You don't buy a house only for square feet. Curb appeal and it fits what you want out of it. That ram is a trophy for sure! Because it just looks like a badace trophy, congrats to the hunter.

1.75---2 lbs

Well done

First time i heard of this thread!! I usually try not to get caught up with these upset debates but I couldn't stop reading it!!!! Ha ha Man all I can say is

I still want to head down there and shoot one. Why??? Because you can

Well second thought I might be on the HAM hunt that weekend, so unless i get one opening morning I can make it. If not Ill probably go back out again

Feb 18th I think i can make that work

No problem buddy! I'm thinking he wants someone a little more qualified behind the trigger.... Adam Ill watch out from Casey! He will get Amanda to change your name to RookieMistake and then you will end up leaving because you think Casey Hacked your profile!!!

Let us know on the dates

So do i want to see big elk sheds?? Does a dog always want food?

Maybe word it as "a person of interest, the Department would like to verify this deer because of the quality of the picture."

Aka you are guilty until proven innocent even with a crappy camera shot

Love the webbing on it