Red Sparky

You all are too worried anyhow. The G&F portal was also supposedly hacked and that is why the draw took so long. If it was I would be afraid all these "CC hits" are stealing money and nobody would report fraudulent activity on their account, it did start April 1 after all. Image the reactions if that was the case. Pending charge from AZG&F , hacked account not from AZG&F . I love this time of year for the entertainment value, but I still have to wait 3 weeks for results

You apparently mixed the 80+ page under the elk section:

So when you find a guides camera on FS land, and know it is a guides camera, do you make a report to the FS? You all do know that commercial use of cameras requires permits on FS land. So if it a guides camera, which seems to be the biggest complaint, they have to follow other rules than a regular hunter. Is it just easier to ban all cameras to make everyone suffer, lumping all camera users into the guide category? Now we are arguing that cameras make more game being harvested. I call BS on that one. First off the 320 bull you have at 20 yards may walk if you have pictures of a 400 bull. If you didn't know that 400 bull was in the area you might shoot the small bull and be successful, or eat tag soup waiting for that 400 bull. So show the results of more animals being killed because of cameras. I have gone through the success rates here in NM and each unit seems to be about the same every year. My theory is that game camera use has gone up and the harvest rate is staying about the same, so game camera use has not impacted harvest rates and may never do so. The other factor is I may be out running game cameras all year long and not get drawn. Just because you are running game cameras doesn't mean you are going hunting. Once again not wanting to be lumped in with guides and outfitters that are using them for commercial purposes. Sounds just like anti gunners----I don't like them so nobody should have them. Guides have 50 BMG's so nobody can use a .22.

I already know exactly where you found it.

Right next to where you hit post. It is a light grey box next to the black one.

According to AZG&F they should have shown on the portal before credit card hits. HMMM?????

I just got an e-mail from NMG&F Dept. on our draw over here.

In case you haven't heard they have a fire going by Ruidoso, NM (Unit 34) right close to the town. That really sucks as they had a major fire down there a few years ago and we enjoy "getting away" even if we have to deal with all the Texas tourist. They also have a fire going by Socorro, NM. I haven't heard but I would guess they were both man made. http://www.koat.com/news/wildfire-prompts-school-evacuation-in-ruidoso/38733716

That is why if you want to be stealthy you shoot subsonic rounds. Watch and listen to this for the difference in sound.

this thread is like a seed, it started and grew, lots of horse and bull sh!t fertilized it. Eventually it'll turn into results. I buy elk result seeds every year I just can't get them to grow into the results I want. I liked Seeds.

Dang it. I started watering my plants and reading this, now the street is going to grow a foot!

Is a 8 gauge to much gun for crow? I disagree with all of yas. Now that I am a shaky old geezer I believe hand grenades should be allowable for taking elk. No hand grenades and dynamite are for fishing, not elk.

Unless you live in Albuquerque. DOJ has stepped in to prevent the "excessive force pattern". Seems like every week there is an officer involved shooting. Now don't get me wrong I am pro-police, it is a dangerous job. When you are serving a night arrest warrant however, you should go to the correct address.

many Hunters also feel they should be able to Hunt the land without seeing cams hanging all over the unit or having their hunt disrupted by guys blabbing their jaws while making a racket to go check their cams during active Hunts . So what are we going to do with all the hunters who have the second hunt and are out scouting during, and disrupting the hunters who have the first hunt? Not running cams but driving all over the roads, walking to glass in the woods, hitting all the water spots, talking and loud in the woods. You pointed it out correctly, there are too many laws to enforce now, and the outlaws will ignore the new laws and only those that follow the rules will suffer. Sounds kind of like the fight against those wanting to ban guns. users who do not care about any of laws and go about driving quads off roads and trails and chopping up trees to place them.

I have an adult joke to tell you trpyhntr but PM's won't go through, maybe I am on your ignore list.

Also illegal for wildlife viewing as well USFS, BLM, etc. manages their lands for numerous outdoor activities. Game cameras and wildlife viewing are one of those activities. You can't infringe on my federally allowed activities with a state law.

Won't bother me one bit. I don't use my cameras for hunting, I use them for wildlife viewing. If they try to make it on private land as well it will not stand up. Telling me what I can and can't do on my land is unenforceable.

The only maps I have used on my gps is TOPO 2008. I am sure there are better maps but it does what I need.

Tried to send a PM but won't go through. So here is my "layman's view" of things. Get the legal advice from an attorney, I am not one but educated layman in the field. The "manager of the ranch" made a point of stating you could hunt the ranch like other hunters in the past. Now when he did this he was "an acting agent" of the ranch and bound the ranch with the e-mails and verbal statements until your tag is no good. You made a decision based on his statements to hunt before the other hunters to have no competition this year when your tag is still good. Now he has gone back on his word, thereby breaching the contract he made verbally and in writing. His actions, as an acting agent for the ranch, caused them to breach the contract also. He states he is "following orders" from higher up. Do his bosses know this or is he just telling you this? A letter sent from an attorney or notice of suit may make them aware of this fact. If they have no idea what is going on I am sure they would want to make it right. The only way to set a precedent is to have a ruling from a judge. It is either held up or overturned by the appellate court, and can be taken to the supreme court for the final ruling. Most cases don't go all the way to trial, rather an agreement can be made before it goes that far. So you need to decide if it is worth fighting the ranch or just go somewhere else.

That was me. Never thought it would go this long.

The whole reason we are able to hunt is through court litigation. The precedent of states setting hunting regulations, for animals in their state, has been set all the way up to the USSC. So now that you have a chance to set precedent for all future hunters, you don't want to. The only ones that can litigate a case are injured parties, the vast majority has not been injured so we can't speak up. If I really wanted to hunt someplace and been double crossed like this, my passion would have me fighting tooth and nail with everything in my arsenal. Then again that is just me and my passion for hunting. I would think the thought of litigation and negative PR would help with some persuasion to get what was promised to me. You don't want to so that is fine.

If you do have the e-mails, and depending on what Mr. Murphy's authority is, you have breech of contract, both verbal and written. If you have what you say you have, you need a lawyer talking for you. One letter may be the grease to get the wheels moving.

What did? The fact it closed at 5 PM MDT instead of midnight?

NM deadline was yesterday at 5 PM

You might have the NM results before AZ but I doubt it. My NM app was in two days after they opened the draw. Just put my daughter in and she is swinging for the fences. If she doesn't draw we will get her a youth encouragement hunt.