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lots of Birds in 23 .... I know several were taken but locations vary quiet a bit throughout the unit ... When they go silent you just have to work harder ... Good Luck to any going back out !

were they too big or small? ... or maybe a bit worn out from all the action they have seen ?

So to be clear ... You are not French and this is not you ? Last I heard there was about 100k being offered to give this guy up ... wonder if he is still out there kicking squirrels ? https://youtu.be/SIXGEj9nwLw

I am just worried they may start closing off parts of 36b where that Chupacabra has been sighted ....

Gave my cousin some spots while he was in 23 last weekend and pretty much the same as he said, they did get into birds a couple times and had them coming in , just not close enough to put a shot on one.

Does not get much better than that ... nice bird and great write up .. Congrats to Jaycie and at this rate she is well on her way to a Royal !

minus about 4 years ago when it was freezing and wet that entire late Oct. hunt .... 36b always pays off best , like pretty much any other unit, when you get out there away from the roads and get a little rougher and remote... Still if I am going to hunt in November it is going to be that late hunt ....

It has been my experience out with guys much better at turkey hunting than myself.... that when they start hanging up to draw away from them a little and soften the call .... Of course works best when the shooter can stay put and have a buddy calling for him or her.... Some of these big time turkey hunters say more times than not hunters, over call especially when they have a hot bird that has responded a couple times... some times you have to hold off and wait, they say , if the have responded a couple times they know where they are headed.

Beautiful pups ... have a very close friend that breeds English Bulldogs , great deal here .. good luck

Take the October Hunt every time .... If you want cooler and are thinking November spend thanksgiving Down there and kick Black Friday off with a rifle in your hand...

I know several who have went through the process with G&F and never had any issue getting to keep the antlers after G&F inspected the animal.. The officers I know we have spoke too said people get confused with the word fresh thinking meat still on bone, but clearly stated that if the hide was dried and leathered up covering the bone removing it would be against the law. Of course here you will get the guys who only bash G&F making it seem like they do not care, but it has been my experience that even a spike or cow found they come out to inspect to try and determine the cause and if the animal was poached... People like to interpret laws to suit themselves and then discount them because they feel they are not enforced ( kind of like a guy cutting up half alive tree to hang a stand in ) .. to each their own but I will continue doing it the way I was taught and the way I have had it explained by the guys who can actually enforce it. As stated earlier ... may be just a good way to do some e-scouting I am all for trying to help during the open season where a guy or gal may still have a chance to put a tag on it legally, but once seasons close up as Hunters in Arizona I think it is our responsibility to assist our G&F in their efforts by following the regulations...

Lance plenty of areas where an elk hit during the late hunt 2014 could easily still be more flesh and hide than dry bone this time of year .... as with all laws it is up to the discretion of the officers that end up stopping you .... I would bet that if you were pulled over by a G&F officer driving out of the forest with a deadhead of a 6x6 in the bed of your truck this time of the year and there is more hide than bone exposed ( keep in mind the amount of dry bone exposed is what determines fresh , not if the hide is dry) you are going to be asked a lot of questions and the head would be confiscated.

Are they AGM or flooded ... what is the warranty on them ?

The right thing is not that hard to do .... If any part of the find has flesh,or hide left on it contact G&F .... if the the parasites and bugs have done their job well and you have nothing but bone take it... It is not like anyone can put a tag on it to claim it this late in the game.... and IMO no one deserves a trophy they did not take the time to recover !

nature girl It can be frustrating when you see those bass and they do not seem to want a thing to do with anything .... In these situations a weightless Tube Bait ( can never go wrong with pumpkin) fished a couple feet behind a drop shot weight ( in essence creating a leader where the weight hits bottom and the tube slowly falls behind ) can be a good way to get them to react... Want to suspend put a little piece of cork inside the tube... Tubes mimic crawdads and that is one of the few things imo that seems to always piss a Bass off enough to react when around a bed.

Maybe using the base 200 and math lets look A 350 Bull will typically have 75 inches of total tine length G1- 5 , 50 inches of main beam length around 30 inches of mass per side ... that is a total of 155 inches of bone growth 154 divided by 180 days is about .86 inches of bone per day ... now you add the average of 40 inch spread for a mature bull you have 155x2+40 ='s 350 inches Now a 400 inch Bull will have on Average 95 -96 inches of total length on each side G1-5 average main beams around 54- 56 (use 55 in this calculation) inches and usually a little more spread and mass but will use the 30 here .. 95+55+30= 180 divided by 180 days ='s 1 inch a day 180 x 2 = 360 + 40 spread = 400.... Now of course this is all based on 180 days of growth which can sometimes be longer or shorter by a couple weeks ..... I guess what I have always taken away from it is that 400" + Bulls are rare because everything from Genes to Nutrition have to be ideal for the entire growth cycle to reach that 1 inch a day of Bone Growth ...

I guess all the biologists are wrong then ... From what I understand it is up to a linear inch a day measuring the main beams ( remember spread is a part of that 400" score) as each new tine splits off the bone grows under velvet at a little slower rate ... As long as they have the genetics from Mamma and Pappa, and Good nutrition they can keep growing.... I have never heard a wild life biologist dispute or challenge the up to an inch a day number and have seen in published in almost every hunting book on elk I have read since I was a kid.

Up to an inch a Day .... Will be a good bull, no doubting that !

I had a group of friends on the Res hunt ... they went 2 for 3 over the weekend ( 1 nice Tom and a nice Jake) and said none of the Toms were with hens .... Day one they were finding nothing but hens and the occasional small Jake, move a couple miles away and were not seeing as many birds, but all they seen were groups of 3 - 5 toms and Jakes in each ...

Been a couple years since being down there in 36b But jumped a lot every trip while out laying the boot leather to the ground...

Great write up .... Great find for your wife and Way to keep going and tag out even with that walking cast on your leg ! A lot of times it pays to get out of the warm truck in nasty weather....

I guess if 20 miles away as the navajo chicken flies is by the country club then yes. We werent sitting waiting to see them walking by we were waiting for it to be a little later as to not screw them up on the way. We were about to take off. I did think of the fact he may have a kid. I dont care what camo he owns just trying to paint a picture of a cheap dork. And for the record he was up there staying at his cabin. WTF? I shouldn't be supprised you guys dont see an issue with this. I can only speak for myself here, but I see a greater issue with a person coming onto a forum and IMO showing no class or tact in trying to (in your words " PAINT A PICTURE OF A CHEAP DORK") judge, demean and make fun of other hunters based on what they drive or wear. I have found it to be a rare occurrence when in similar situations that myself and other hunters could not discuss and come up with a solution as to what would be beneficial for both parties when ones plans may have been interrupting the others. I can guarantee that a good number of guys were up there trying to scout for this upcoming weekend and if I had that tag seeing a couple guys sitting in a truck would not have stopped me from heading out on foot either. I would not have parked right on top of you, but like him would have approached you to find out what your plans were because I do not want to push out and have things messed up by a couple guys that were just sitting in their truck when I left. I would get use to the idea that you will have run ins and have monkey wrenches thrown into your plans when participating in Hunts on public land.... It is how you choose to communicate with others and handle the situations that will allow you to keep enjoying the hunt without crying to be the victim every time you are unsuccessful. I guess it is the new American way (one I will never subscribe too) ... Blame everyone else without taking any responsibility for the choices made that did not turn out in your favor... I will leave that as my final word on this tread... Good luck

IMHO it does not matter what the Guy was wearing .... If he was heading out to Hunt versus sitting in a Truck waiting to try and get lucky to catch the Turkey making their way into a KNOWN roost, and he asked the OP their intent, I think it is hard to fault the guy ... One thing about the cheaper camo, is few people are worried about looking pretty and more willing to get them dirty....

Congrats to Tessa for getting that Algebra Grade up, holding straight As, and Her successful hunt... WAY TO GET IT DONE! Big Props to Mom and Dad for putting those grades first ... Not the easiest thing to do , but the best ... I know, I was just reminding my son the other day about keeping his grades up if he wants to go on an application for a Deer hunt this year.