MogollonMan

Some of the parties involved are members and contributors of this site and I've already spoken with some of them individually about my concerns. I'm not looking to get back into it in a public forum.

Very fair comments. I have had personal first hand experience with individuals involved with more than one of these programs that has soured me and turned me off to all of them, and I admit that is not fair. No doubt some are outstanding organizations. But until some form oversight is put into place, I'll have a hard time supporting them and would rather see the tag go to the next person in line.

WOW! Just curious why this upsets you so much? I have first-person experience with some of these individuals and groups and seen the abuse. I'm not just talking about youth javelina tags. Are you suggesting no one person has received multiple tags from these organizations, and in back-to-back years?

I knew him as well. Outstanding guy. But one doesn't have anything to do with the other. These programs are too often misused and at times abused.

I don't think I said he is dishonest. But he is wrong. Likely just misunderstood or was misguided.

They will. I think the OP just thought he would get his points back if he returned it and is confused there. You don't have to have point guard to return a tag.

Or return it to AZGFD so it can go to the next person in line (what a crazy idea 😒). Some of these donation organizations are great. Others seem to give primo tags to the same people over and over again year after year in an eye-raising manner. I'm over that and everyone should be.

You taking a lot of shots at 307.5 yards?

Appears the agenda for tomorrow has been revised.

That lead killed game is exponentially safer and more healthy than 99.99% of what you buy at the grocery store. Fear of lead poisoning is probably the last reason I would switch to all copper. Probably the best thing you could do for your family’s health, physically and mentally, is to get them off of social media and listening to people who have found success in monetizing fear and paranoia.

My buddy used one out of his truck on a long hunt I was on with him. It was AWESOME!

If I read the map correctly, Big Lake and most of the surrounding area becomes private property.

Were they wild turkey? Always looking for better ways to cook the wild ones.

Wealthy landowners buy checkerboard parcels for a reason, basically 100% ownership for half the price. This would kill that. Fantastic and fingers crossed this spread nationwide.

Anyone know where I can find one?

A lot of legal issues with tagging a bull after the hunt closes. Especially this late. You should both tread lightly.

VLDs fly great, but the jacket is too thin and they are trash on big game. You are asking over retail for ammo that looks old and who knows how it has been cared for.🤔

Return it to AZGFD. While some of these tag donation organizations get tags to great people, too many give tags to the same people year after year. Seems like it gets abused more and more to me.

I don't have any idea about what he was trying to locate. I don't know the man. I am just fed up with AZGFD overreach, bias, and bad WMs. Don't get me wrong, I personally know several great WMs. But you must have missed the part where he was flying what is said to be 1-2 weeks before his deer hunt, which is 100% legal. Only way it becomes illegal is if he had a tag for the OTC elk or was helping a hunter with a tag for that hunt. I haven't seen anyone or anything suggest that is the case. I would suspect you have some bias against Mr. Koury or guides in general? Seems something is clouding your basic logic?

You are incorrect. AZGFD has no jurisdiction over where people can fly unless it directly pertains to their charter of game & fish. It is really frightening how easily you are willing to blindly hand over authority to your rights. After your comments, I dug into this a little further today. It turns out this “judge” is a justice of the peace, an elected official not required to have any formal legal experience or education in order to qualify for office. Untrained under qualified judges with overzealous prosecutors (out of Colorado City none the less), WMs who get a little tingle in their dingle at the prospect of “getting” a well known guide, and AZGFD who has repeatedly demonstrated they have no respect for their own boundaries. Talk about a giant circle jerk!

I came upon this topic and was intrigued by some of the comments. I believe AZGFD has a long history of overstep and abuse of authority. For example when they passed unconstitutional rules prohibiting hunters from carrying a firearm while archery hunting. This AZGFD rule was overturned because AZGFD has no authority to pass laws/rules beyond the scope of taking game. As long as the archery hunter doesn’t use his firearm in the process of taking the game, AZGFD should and has to mind their own business and not infringe on second amendment rights. Based on this limited information, it seems Mr. Koury is a victim of another AZGFD overreach. As long as an individual isn’t fly to aid in taking big game, AZGFD has no jurisdiction to tell anyone when or where they can fly, even during an open hunt. So unless AZGFD can prove Mr. Koury had a tag for the OTC elk hunt, or was helping someone for that hunt, they have no case. Mr. Koury was within his legal rights to fly anywhere he wanted in the area up until the 48 hour period before his hunt. It sounds like this incident occurred a week or two before hunt? So if all of this is accurate, Mr. Koury should absolutely win his appeal, the warden should be reprimanded, and AZGFD needs to apologize for their abuse of authority AGAIN.

Seems like we all agree (minus Flatlander), Giles is narrowminded POS who can't see past a few personalities flaws to recognize what is best for the country. Fortunately for Giles, Harris is squeeky clean. No morally questionabile background there...

Taking this kind of stand only punishes you and those you hunt with. Big brother doesn't care and it makes the liberals happy that their control mechanism is working.

To get radios from "listening technology" seems a pretty big stretch. But the commission has a way of doing whatever the heck they want, so who knows.