tomharveyb

Great write up. My son, myself and 11 yr old grandson heading up there tomorrow for the middle hunt. Love the SC Rez!

Well- now that my cc hasn't been hit, I'm exploring other options. Anybody out there ever do the wmat general hunt? It's cow,or spike and is on the west side of the res. At least you would get to chase elk and it's not terrible in cost. Also does anybody know the odds of drawing? Not too much info on this,

8 muzzy antelope for me. My 2 grandsons didn.t draw - unit 3b august muzzleloader antlerless- was 82% with 2 points and 100% with 3 last year. They had 3 points. There must be a ton more people putting in this year for that to happen!!

Maybe we'll get our results before the New Mexico deadline! That would be really nice.

I'm re-thinking my application for elk this year- getting too old to hold out for what I would really like. I would love to hunt early archery bull in 5b south one more time but don't think I can wait the 5 years it would take from where I'm at- 4 bp's and 68 years old. The 3b north and 4a north hunts (antlerless) intrigue me, but don't know much about them other than what g and f puts out in stats. Anybody out there done either of these? I know they're listed as limited opp. hunts but the success rates are decent and the wait between hunts would be short. Any info would be appreciated.

my 2 cents- the one called high desert hunt club near mayer is well run. my grandson had a great time and the dogs were well trained

Good job Nick getting this idea started and nice to see how it worked out!

The first post, not the joke.

Now that's funny-I don't care who you are!

Just noticed Desert Bull's post. Good info. My false hope is back

What caliber and is it for sale as well as trade? How much?

I'm with you. I'm using g and f charts to decide what to apply for. NO FALSE HOPE FOR ME!

G and F home page, click on hunting, then draw and bonus point reports. Shows hunt number data with all hunters who put in with 0-max bonus points, how many were drawn in each group, etc. Tons of data, but seems to contradict what others are saying about data put out by hunter's trailhead

OK I need somebody to clarify for me. I don't subscribe to hunters trailhead but get the impression that the odds stated there are way better than the g and f bonus point and draw charts show. How can there be such a big difference? Anybody have any ideas, and who do we go by.

I don't know where hunter's trailhead gets their stats, but on stats put out by g and f, unit 1 early archery with 11 points drew around 26%. it took 16 points and above to be at 100% That's for 2016.

most units you're in- not unit 1

According to last year's odds-you are at 10-25% odds of drawing this year. About 3-4 years more you are at 100% . Hang in there!

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Best of luck to you. Did it in 2016- July 29-Aug 12. Logged 191 hours in a ground blind watching a block of salt. Bison seen-0. Pray for dry weather, and if your prayers are answered, you should get one. Rainy weather and everything changes. Get in touch with Russ Jacoby.

Spin it anyway you want. 56-35 end of story. Honestly, makes it even worse km ASUs end being the only pac 12 loss to the cats! No spin-they won 1 conference game. A crappy U of A team beat a crappy ASU team.

Congrats to the Cats on their only pac 12 win!

taking my grandson next week- his first deer hunt. he's stoked!!

got my leftover several weeks ago and my portal still says pending. better call g and f

Going to where the buffalo are means you are going into the park to hunt. The conseqences of that probably wouldn't be good!! It's the only hunting you will do where you are hunting them where they don't live, hoping they come to you. All the salt licks are close to the park- like 1/2 mile or less. If I had 30 points I would put in for the long spring hunt, hold out for a nice bull, and cooperate with everyone else involved. Doing it rogue will mean you will be going home empty handed. Raymond ranch is like shooting a moo cow on a farm. My 2cents.

I'll play devil's advocate here. I hunted bison in the July 29-Aug 11 hunt so am not just spouting off. Russ puts out 6000# of salt /year, sets up blinds on them and puts hunters in them whether you pay him or not. He's a licensed guide who pays all the fees to parks, forest service, etc. He pays insurance on his operation. He spends 150 days/year on the Kaibab doing his thing with the bison. Tell me why hunters who pay for his service shouldn't get priority over the freeloaders. That's the way it works.