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New stock, never been shot from. Tan wtih webbing. Rem 700 with M5 DBM inlet. Right hand long action No bottom metal. $150 East Valley

Selling Bushnell Forge FFP Mil Deploy reticle scope with rings. 3-18 with locking knobs and side focus. $550 east valley Will ship

Looking for a chest freezee, planning on success on my bison hunt in a few weeks! Looking for the smaller sized chest freezer, but lemme know what you got. I am in Chandler/Mesa area.

hahaha, I have done this enough on matches. I'm glad I did it there so that I don't do it on game. Its humbling when you can't see your shot, and someone else says, "check your turret, you are something like 5 mil high". Good natured mockery usually ensues. Pre shot and post shot checklist, including dialing all turrets to zero at the end. Its got to be an automatic process for me cause my thinking brain runs out of bandwidth fast on the clock and looking at a critter.

I drew cow with 9 points. Leaving in a couple weeks.

Thanks! I had over 20 minutes setting up that shot, controlling breathing, checking and rechecking wind, dry fire, etc. I had 100% confidence in the shot. My buddy was trying to convince me to let him stand up broadside and wait for the shot. I said nah, I got this. It was a steady breeze, easy wind call. I had plenty of room on elevation, so once wind was called, I was ready to send it. I could have held or dialed, but dialing is "a little more accurate". I'll post this one and PM you my phone to carry on off the subject. I would love to go shoot, I really am still a newbie, and see what others are doing. I did a little over a year of the Cowtown PRS when it restarted there. I went to one of the first AZ long range challenge with Justin Martinez and Keith Bishop. I am active in long range forums on Facebook, including Rusty's page, but still haven't made it up there. I donated some bags to the most recent match. It has been a while since I made any match. These days, I prefer to go on a hike and shoot at rocks in field positions as if I was hunting. PRS was great initial training to show you what really is possible and repeatable. It is also a ton of fun and the people really helped cut my learning curve. I will get back to some matches hopefully. This argument between holdovers and dialing comes up often with hunters crossing over into the "tacticool" gear, after tacticool guys say it is the best ever or some stupid magazine article or survey of match shooters. I fully admit that many people are "tacticool" and deserve to be mocked, just like I can question lots of long range "hunters", even the popular YouTube ones. I've seen some seriously cringeworthy long range shots of AZ hunts. If asked directly from a hunter just getting into it, I more regularly recommend that hunters don't go tacticool, because you can shoot long range without it. Staying with the familiar simplifies the learning curve and success. If someone really wants to get into after that, then I talk tacticool. Bottom line, shoot what you want how you want. I know and respect many long range hunters who do just fine with SFP reticles and dial everything. Broz from LongRangeOnly.com is one that immediately comes to mind. We have had the conversation and I can't argue with his common sense choices for his scope and purposes. I will freely admit that he makes good points, but for me, they aren't more persuasive for my choices and situation. If I come across as though FFP and trees are the only way or best way, that isn't my intent. I will make explicit that I am not arguing that everyone should use a tree and hold over. I am trying to push back against any idea that one is better than the other. And, especially pushing back on any idea that holding over with trees is not as accurate or can't be used effectively. There is plenty of room for debate of the choice. In the end, debate is good cause it informs. When it comes to the choice when hunting, the shooters who dive deep into long range field/tactical match shooting all gravitate to FFP with trees because it is a competitive advantage. It is the same reason FFP is the choice of snipers. I know this is a variation of "pulling the I know a sniper card", but it is common knowledge in the community, and, I am not quoting "the one sniper I know". All the active military snipers I know, and most retired run FFP and trees, and continue to use them in hunting. I have trained with a marine urban sniper instructor who doesn't like holding over deep into a reticle, because there is some issue with it optically once you get into the outer third of the scope, but still uses a tree. I spent a weekend training with a special forces sniper training detachment instructor, record holder from AMU, and he uses Tremor 3 on everything. If training is given on SFP or older reticles, it is because the military is slow to change. I've had or seen this discussion on this exact topic numerous times with a current coach at the AMU, former coach of AMU, former coaches of Marine shooting team, and multiple tier 1 long range shooting experts/trainers. I consider myself very fortunate to have connected into an informal network of such shooters, and gain from their knowledge and skill. It blows me away. The internet is an amazing thing. On the other hand, I do know some snipers who still prefer to use a more traditional scope for hunting and dial rather than hold over. Certainly, every long range shooter I know could dial or holdover and use whatever reticle you gave them. In the end, for the vast majority of shots, long range gives you time and opportunity to choose whatever you want to do, including closing the gap to make it a short range shot, which can be more fun anyhow. If anyone wants to join in the conversations on Facebook, see what I am talking about, that I am not making stuff up, join Long Range Shooters and Practical Precision Shooters, they are two of the best groups. Search the groups for this info, and even try asking the question. PM me privately and we can connect on Facebook and I'll give you direction on how I sucked the marrow out of those groups to learn and keep learning. Its amazing to see them respond generously to random internet dudes trying to help. Now, not all responding are experts, but if we connect, I can point out who they are. Get knowledge, make an informed choice. Most importantly, go shoot.

Agree wholeheartedly. Aiming with holding over is stupid simple to learn. I have had similar experiences. Though they typically need more instruction to make it useful innthe field alone and without the immediate knowledge the experienced shooter has. It ain't surgery, but it is kinda like rocket science. The biggest problem is misinformation and ignorance. I love shooting my .22 lr out to 300 yards and more. Yup, it it great training. I have to dial AND hold, lol.

I will add that a group of coues hunters I know had guns and talked about it. They were moderately successful at long range. Heard all the stories about shots they were taking. Lots that were at their feet or missed. Blamed on something legitimate. Well, it got me interested in being competent and I dove deep. Pretty soon I found out that these hunters really had no business shooting that far. They pretty well ignored me as I gently suggested ways to improve. I wasn't cool enough and hadn't hunted coues before. I been there before. But, its just a knowledge gap. These awesome dudes just didn't know what was possible. Neither did I. I am willing to go shoot with anyone and especially help you set up your rifle and show you what is possible with whatever scope and rifle you have. I started with a cheap savage and $250 scope and shot out to 1000 under 1 moa in a long range class. It is so cool. I love to share it.

Your point is absolutely valid. Someone shooting twice a year shouldn't buy a FFP or tree reticle. They won't know how to use it. They also shouldn't shoot at an animal at 600 yards either, reticle or not. This is in the long range subsection of a hunting site. So the answers given by advocates and those with extensive experience should be evaluated accordingly. People disagree, and have preferences, that's fine. There is no right or wrong. But us guys using FFP tree reticle long range shooters absolutely can inform people of our experiences to make a decision. We aren't making it up and I don't think anyone is saying you have to go with a tree. I certainly am not. I have dealt with and learned from many professional shooters, snipers, competitors in dynamic field type shoots most similar to hunting. FFP with tree reticles are by far their choice. And, to echo your point, don't buy a tree and think it makes you a sniper. You build a valid critique to the tree into your question. I will add that someone shooting their rifle twice a year probably a) can't make a good wind call in the field, b) isn't serious about the skill involved in long range shooting, c) should definitely close the gap or not shoot, d) probably hasn't done the work to get accurate dope, and e) has lots of other issues to solve before the reticle hold over/dial becomes an issue. Long range shooting isn't easy to just do without practice and skill. Long range hunting adds another complexity. At 600 yards, just the temperature or barometric pressure or altitude can cause a miss. Those custom dials and duplex reticle scopes people buy really aren't useful at that distance. I could prove it, but won't spend time on it. Long range shooting is a legitimate skill. It is a perishable skill as well. Shooting once or twice a year is not enough to maintain it really. Bottom line, I could shoot in readable wind conditions at long ranges holding over or dialing. If you think my shot is luck in the video, watch the other videos on my channel. Or, anyone who wants to come shoot with me, I love to share. You can shoot my rifles and see whether you like a ffp tree reticle and how I use it.

I have a magnum no go gauge, $25.

Optimizer single pin adjustable sight. OL-5019 fiber wrap. New and unused, but out of the packaging. $95

New Proof steel blank .243 28" 8 twist 4 groove stainless steel varmint barrel. Was gonna use this for a rifle build, but think I will switch plans now that the 6mm ARC came out from Hornady. $250 firm East Valley

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Second on the pack if Sawbuck doesnt' take it.

I have two new barrels coming, but decided to sell one. Its a carbon fiber Proof Savage small shank prefit, 6mm creedmoor, 24" straight taper, 5/8 x 24 threaded for muzzle. $695

Price drop. $675

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4 surplus shirts xl 3 bass pro shirts xl or 2xl 1 pair 36/38 bass pro pants 1 windbreak All very good condition. Non smoking. Washed. $30 bucks for all of it. East Valley

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Good thing I jumped when I did. Thanks for the rifle AZAV8ER,

Cameraland NY had some Leica demo and sale models.

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