I contacted the seller of these rifles and had good communication with regards to arranging to see these rifles. From the pictures it is clear that the guns are low condition "shooters" but what is not obvious is that the .270 had been poorly refinished with a thick layer of varnish, has a hole in the stock filled with accraglass and has a poor fitting floor plate that stands proud from the stock about 1/16". The 30-06 is better but with little original finish, a poorly fitted recoil pad and scattered rust. Both would make shooters. My intent here is not to bash the guns or the seller just to make other potential buyers aware lest they too make a long drive and not be satisfied with the guns.