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As was presented in this case a "win" implied that the plaintiffs prevailed in court and received a judgment in their favor that validated their claim. The plaintiffs did not "win" their court case, they took money to go away. Yep they got the $$$ but their claim of culpability was not validated.

The families did not "win" in court. Remington paid up to make the lawsuit go away. Insurance company decided cheaper to pay that go to court.

After 9-11 Airline Pilots had to work like heck to get armed pilot program going. Finally got it and it is very good. Individuals that volunteer to get armed are heavily screened, train for a couple weeks at a Federal facility. A well thought out program that would benefit schools. I am sure there are teachers with military, law enforcement or firearms background that would be eligible. The deterrence factor would be Hugh. Certainly better than any gun laws they could come up with.

Same view here. When my Dad came home from WWII no teenage boy ever thought of going to a hardware store buying an M1 carbine and hi capacity mags and shooting up a school. They could have at 14, no background checks or any of that back when it was a different time. When I was in high school it was no problem to have a gun in the truck and go hunting after school. At around the time of 24 hour TV and MTV it started to shift, whatever society in general started doing from that time forward has not been helpful. To busy, to much tech distraction, not enough healthy engagement for youth etc etc etc.

You got to figure that around the turn of the century (1900) that bears were at a low ebb out west. Why? Because stockmen, sheep or cattle, rode horseback armed and worked the range. Either working cows out of line camps or sheep men with the herds, any bear sighted was shot and no one cared. Stockmen would kill game for the meat because sheep and cows were money. Also market hunters shot the heck out of deer and elk to sell venison to the miners. Back then bears that did not get shot had very few elk or deer to pray on. Once regulated hunting came in and deer elk numbers went up and bear and cougar hunting became controlled their numbers began to grow again. Now a young bear is hard pressed to find his own territory, plenty of mature boars to push youngsters to the fringe of optimal habitats.

I have a Bergara Premier HMR Pro 6.5C that out of the box shoots sub 1/2 MOA and mostly .4 groups. I also have a Seekins Havak Pro Hunter that is as accurate. I will keep the Bergara and sell you the Seekins for a reasonable price.

Hi Crazy; I did something similar with a 6.5C with a goal a bit shorter than yours. My aim was max about 500 yards with a BRUX #4 barrel and Leupold VX6 HD scope, 9 pound 9 oz rifle, a nice balance between cary weight and a stable shooter. For my needs a NightForce is not what I would choose but for your goal of shooting farther I would recommend the NX8 4-32X50. It fits your weight requirements, comes in MOA and FF1 at a not to astronomic a price. My experience with the NX8 in competition has been awesome.

20 years ago I settled on Winchester brass and got decent results. I would uniform the primer pockets and de burr the flash hole and got good enough results. Couple of years ago bought some new Win brass and was disappointed at the quality. Very beat up and some cases not usable. Now shooting a 6.5C and loading both my used Hornady brass, meh and new Lapua. Lapua brass is Sierra Hotel. Just bite the bullet and get Lapua, no need to weigh (cases in a box vary +/- .2 grains) no flash hole fixing or primer pocket work required. Yes I see enough difference in the Lapua brass shooting better than my weight sorted, flash hole-primer pocket fixed Hornady brass.

Of all the like options in the Leupold VX6 HD and Zeiss V4/V6 line the VX6 HD 3-18X44 is the lightest.

I have 3 VX3i LRP scopes. Two of them are on rifles that I used in PRS matches, one was dialed up and down for 910 rounds and the other dialed up and down for 1300 rounds. The third one on a NRL22 match rifle that also gets dialed up and down. Several Leupold scopes on Silhouette rifles that get dialed up and down every monthly match. The final dial up scope is a VX6 HD 3-18 scope that has been on a 270 hunting rifle and now on my silhouette/deer hunting rifle that has about 800 rounds down the tube. One of the most used is a fixed 6X on my 30-06 that has been well used and banged around some, this scope does not get dialed around much but has taken some hard knocks and still good. I also like them for their cost and weight. It is interesting to read on these posts the divergence in experience. One group states they have a number of Leupolds and no problem and the other is, I and my friends have had them all fail and do not trust them anymore. Strange the the stark difference. All my dial up scopes are on 6.5C or 270 Win and get mounted using a torque wrench. Lots of times the dissatisfied customers are using magnums. Makes me wonder ?????

I have built two. First; Winchester 270, REM700 LA ADL, 24" Lilja #3 barrel, tuned up REM trigger, Brown Precision pounder kevlar stock, Talley Lightweight rings and a Swaro Z3 3-9X36. Built by High Tech Customs in Colorado. Very light and very accurate with Hornady 140 SST Superformance ammo. Figured the 270 was about the most ideal Coues cartridge, especially with a 140 gr SST bullet starting at 3100 + FPS. SST has worked at least a dozen times Fromm 330 yards to 60 yards. Second rifle 6.5C in a Defiance Deviant Hunter with a 24" Brux #4 barrel, Trigger Tech Special in a Grayboe Terrain stock. Grayboe BDL magazine, Vortex rings and Leupy VX-6 HD built by Phoenix Customs. Doubles as a Silhouette Rifle, no trouble knocking down Rams at 500 meters. The 6.5C weighs 9lb 9oz, makes for a solid shooter at longer ranges with less recoil than the 270, the Creed works fine for shots out to 500 which is about as far as I want to shoot at a buck. I like the traditional stock profile because it handles naturally like a shotgun shooting quail you jumped up, just like bucks do sometimes.

My son is just finishing up his pipe fitters school/apprenticeship. Welding is a big part of it. He got is Med Gas Cert and struggling with the welding cert. Watching his progress I would recommend the Cochise College and Certified route.

Not a problem at all. I missed the post when it first came out. Nice pair of Ruger Security Six's.

Dang !!!!

The Creedmoor is very different. The main reason why is accuracy from off the shelf rifles like the Seekins Havak and Bergara Premier line, rifles that shoot off the shelf Hornady ammo sub .4MOA. The secret sauce is Hornady built the Cartridge from the ground up to be accurate with the 140/147 grain ELD-Match bullet. The SAMMI specs call for a twist, chamber, throat and lead that fit those bullets like a glove and support it with decent ammo. Heck even their bargain bulk "American Gunner" ammo would shoot sub .5MOA at 100 yards. Yes its only so fast and the bore is only .264, but t's accurate as all heck and carries easily to 1000 yard hits on steel or paper. I know it's a "target round" but velocity that is still over 2000 fps at 400 yards and sufficient energy for deer hunting covers a lot of territory. It's not magic, just more accurate than any other off the shelf setup. I do not know off any factory match ammo 7-08, 243 or 260 that you can put in a $1000-$2000 dollar retail rifle and kick but with it.

I had this dilemma when I won a new Winchester Model 70 Classic in 300 WinMag at an Elk Foundation dinner. After almost 200 rounds looking for accurate factory ammo I found the rifle was not as accurate as I would like and I had no interest in doing load development for a 300Magnum. I looked at ballistic tables and realized that a 30-06 gave me enough velocity and energy with a 180 gr bullet to take elk out to 500 yards. I sold the magnum and bought a nice shiny SS Win Classic in 30-06. I shot many a round getting loads using 165 and 180 grain bullets that shot sub MOA and pushed a 180 Sierra BT GK bullet at 2825 fps MV using less than max load out of a Speer Manual. In the years that followed I took Elk with the 165 gr and 180 gr bullets from 50 yards out to 350 yards. I agree with this advise. The learning with the 30-06 will be much nicer than with a Magnum. Besides with the Magnum by the time you get good and have loads developed you will have shot out a barrel and will need to re barrel and start load development all over again. Get 30-06 Lapua brass, a top line single stage press and quality bullets and have at it. When you get ammo that has max velocity deviation less than 28fps and SD under 12 and runout less than .004 and you can keep shots at 500 yards on a 6 inch steel then maybe think a bigger cartridge. Good shooting

Rock Chucker press for sale $90, location N Phoenix near Bell and 7th Street.

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I cleared out some space, did not realize it could be an issue. Try to PM me again.

No the lapua brash is not part of the deal. I can go check Brunos for you tomorrow if you like.

IGDAF you are the MAN !!! Love this idea, it's called hunting so go basic and hunt. BTW took two 6X6 bulls with a fixed 6 power scope, not really a handicap.

Heck lets get serious, before you are allowed to apply for a tag you have to demonstrate running with a 20# day pack for 200 yards and then hit a 6 inch plate at 250 yards from an improvised shooting position.

I will buy them I am in N Phoenix Bell and 7th Street