Savage06

found the Hells Kitchen trail head. Thats up by Green Valley

I was thinking about the Mt Ord area. Not sure where Hells Gate is.

I drew unit 22 mule deer from 11/01 - 11/07 this year. I also have the elk tags for the same unit a moth later. I have been doing a lot of research on the elk. Any good starting points as far as areas for the Mule deer would be awesome

I have one kennel for these dogs and as you can see its not your typical kennel. The dog house is 7' x 10' x 9'. it is fully insulated on all six sides and its is equipped with and A/C unit. They have only used it when the female is in heat the last two times. Many of the male's blood line come from Haus Von der Crossner Ranch and I am proud to have that line in my contribution to the breed of Haus Von der Schnee. These animals are very well taken care of. .

I should have some Rottweiler puppies for sale ate the end of Sept. I am located is east Apache Junction, AZ. These are German Rottweilers. My male is 2 1/2 yrs and female is 1 1/2 yrs. she will be in here 3rd heat in two weeks. They are excellent companions/pets. very protective of their masters and are excellent guard dogs. Mine have champion blood lines in the working dogs category. below is a pic of L: my male R: female. you can PM me if you need more info or reply for general information. PS: West of Green Valley is looking good for elk. I was up there last weekend and saw lots of droppings. I know its 8 months off, and no sheds yet.

Also, There are quite a few places to stay. I do have an idea of where I am going to start scouting now. I have a friend that is from the area and he did not draw a tag this year. He will definitely have my ear because he lives in the area.

Thanks,. I have to look at the buget

I saw that there are a few BNBs that back up directly on the unit. I was going to do some glassing and see in I could get one of those. I do not think a tent is going to be an option for this hunt. Last year the temp ranged from 30 ° as a high to 1° for a low.

Now there is a business idea. You only work from August to January and sit on you butt the rest of the year watching TV and drinking beer.

Definitely going to have a spotter.

That is good advise yotebuster.

All of these are great tips. Thanks for them. I was hunting whitetail last Oct with a semi auto just for the reason of a fast follow up shot but also found that the rifle was too dang heavy. I know that I would need a bullet and load for elk that is not a semi auto platform. I have had the 06 for years and can deliver a follow up relatively quick. I think my comfort zone is within 700 yards tho and won't take a shot past that.

I have taken a hunter ed coarse and know about the kitchen. I just here of others that shoot for head, neck, spine etc and drop them in their tracks. That was the basis of my question. I have hunted in CA and here last year in 24B just southeast of Roosevelt. In Oct. I only saw one buck when I was scouting but, lots of tracks in the area so, I hunted there. I have yet to make a kill. I have however have bought a Hunt/fish combo every year for the last 10 years if nothing else to support the G&F and our wild life foundations. I am a decent shot, maybe not the best on the planet but decent. I will be hunting with a Savage 30-06 and using a load I have came up with. 168gr BTHP, 46.6gr IMR8208XBR powder. Seems to be a stable and consistent load. I have not put it thru a chrono yet but, I will be the next time I go shoot.

Where is the optimal spot to drop an elk. Head heart etc., I would like to drop him m\if I get a good shot.. I would rather not chase for 2-3 miles if I can avoid it.

Saw a video last night on gutless quartering. seems easy enough. I know seems does not mean is. I will be watching more videos and reading a little more about it. I'll need to get another knife, not that I need another but a good american made one would be nice. I saw on weatherunderground that the overnight temp in Payson during the hunt dates last year was between 1° and 8°. I guess that means that camping is out of the question. I'll need to look into hotels or possibly renting a cabin for a week.