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I reject homosexuality, you reject Christianity, I guess that makes us both bigots and I can live with that......I will flat out admit that according to the dictionary definition I am a bigot to the end through and through.....

Mr. Smith, I never said I hated anybody, Hindu, Black or Homosexual, as a matter of fact I clearly stated that if one of my children ever declared that they chose a different sexual orientation I would love them to death and continue to try and teach them true principals. And yes it is all about faith, belief and opinion and that is what some of us have been expressing and exchanging...beliefs and opinions. I am not sure where your heritage lies, but my heritage came across the great waters because of faith and opinion. This country was established on people who had faith and opinion. It is as hard for you to believe that we have faith and opinion as it is for us to imagine life without it. I believe that the very foundation of this country was built off of faith and belief in a God and that we will in fact pay the price not in just in heck but right here on this American continent if we don't adhere to those commandments and laws that have been set forth through Christ. Yes that is my belief and what I base my opinion on and I know that is very hard for some to get a grip on, but that is how I base my daily actions and decisions. By the way which I don't do a very perfect job of, but it is my rudder and my compass. Just my opinion of course

Lark, just out of curiosity.....who do they sell novelty cigars because of?????

JHAM357...best of luck with the new comer........it is a tough world to raise a kid in but it sounds like you have the right plan...

Nailed it on the head again lark.......don't make no sense at all to even be having the discussion..................

Something nobody wants to think about is the what if's......don't you think that the bombing of the twin towers changed the course of this country just a little. GW Bush woke up one morning, he was reading books down in Florida with a bunch of grade school kids, minding his own business when all of the sudden his world came to a screeching hault as did all of the rest of us...................lets face it people, you can say what you want about Bush, but nobody up there on the stand can say they know what that is like...............did he get everything perfect.....not hardly, we wanted him to go kick somebody's ace and then got mad at him for kicking the closest dog that was lying around which happened to be the playground for Bin LaDEN....I intentionally left OSAMA off that if you didn't notice............... I don't like alot of things that Bush has done...but I ain't wearing his shoes..............What would OBAMA do in that situation.....what would McCain do in that situation...................tough questions ................

AZHUNT, I agree with the government has already stepped in the cowpie and now can't get it off their shoe and can't stop the stink. I guess that means I have a double standard....I don't want Gov. involved, but I don't want to have my rights as a father, grandfather taken away either........I want to be able to teach my kids true pricipals that are solid and will bring them happiness. Stanley, you have a good point with the worries of the world. My family has never had alot, we do go fishing, hunting and enjoying the outdoors, but when the bottom falls out of the financial world I hope and pray that my family will still be able to gather around the campfire and talk about the things that are important and have lasting importance, a family and their relationship with each other, their maker and the good things that life has done for us.

It is a moral issue which throws this into one of those ethical discussions which in turn falls into the eyes of the beholder. But, it is not natural, it is a law set forth by our maker....kind of like Zig Ziglar said about gravity......you can fight the laws of gravity all you want, but if you keep jumping people off the 10 story building you will continue to prove that law to be true. Does that affect me....people jumping off the building? No, because I know and understand the law of gravity. But what if somebody decides to make it look fun.......and now my neighbors kids want to try it....and next thing you know, my kids feel it is something they want to try.......does it affect me now??? I think most of us in the Christian realm, I guess I can't speak for all of them, but yes we are afraid. Afraid that we will now not be able to teach that marriage between a man and a woman are a gift from God because now we are discriminating. Are we discriminating? I guess we are, and that is our belief. I could care less if gays want to marry, but don't tell me in the same breath that I can't teach my kids it is a sin. I think there is probably something to say about keeping state and church seperate, big can of worms there that I don't understand other than the judges who are ultimately turning things around even though the majority has voted on an issue really makes the water murky.

And thus we see the importance of judge appointment, I agree DB...............

Same thing I would do to any of my kids who decided to do things that were contrary to Christs teachings and natural human behavior.......love them to death and try to teach them how to deal with the abnormal feeling that they have. If they wanted to "come out of the closet" that is their choice. What would I do for an alcoholic child.....same thing... What should we do with people who kill their newborn child.....create laws that makes that OK? Love them to death and try to teach them the error in their ways............. We have already made laws that allow abortion.......or killing of an unborn child.........that is enough to send this country to the bottom of the ocean...........if my daughter chose to have an abortion, what would I do......love her to death and try to teach her principles that are in line with the teachings of Christ........

Lark, I am glad you put it that way......I told a guy the other day that all the money I have is in my pockets or in my bills......don't know one dang thing about the stock market and I consider myself to be fairly educated. Remeber this....a vote for somebody besides McCain is a vote for Obama......no matter how much you hate to swallow it that is the facts...........

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That is good news......willie is getting antsy for his 27 late bull tag and I am about to pee my pants cause he invited me to go help

I've been there.......I mean needing help with a unit.....plus hunted down there for the first time ever last season. Had an enjoyable time, great weather, big grasshoppers and plenty of trash to go around in the washes. Saw a buck the last day we were there while glassing in my pajamas. Made one scouting trip way too early cause the water was all gone when season finally came around and I had put too many eggs in the same basket or around the same water hole. Live too far away to do the unit justice for you, we were hunting around Diablo I think, but I am sure there are better places in the unit. Well, I am not sure, but I am sure there are those who have honey holes that they might not be too willing to give up. and rightfully so..... Go check it out first and then come back with more specific questions and I am sure you will get some help from these guys, they are a hard nut to crack but eventually will share I know the gate is locked at the offramp where the BP was stationed last year...... Good luck to you down there.......go camp where the coueswhitetail.com members camp and they will help you out there I bet.............

You want answers? Lt. Daniel Kaffee: I think I'm entitled. Col. Nathan R. Jessep: You want answers?! Lt. Daniel Kaffee: I want the truth! Col. Nathan R. Jessep: You can't handle the truth! Probably more truth to that statement than we all want to believe..................

Thanks for the tips guys, I appreciate it........will let you know what I find when I go check it out......

Thanks willie......I have heard that story and all about the keys he can get me to get into gates but he has not at this point been able to produce any such a thing, plus he hasn't taken a look at the back of his hand lately

Is there any trouble getting in through Empire ranch?? I'll have to check that out, I don't mind a good party, but wouldn't mind to cut the crowd to a minimum at least.

Bear Wallow.....or if you go talk to my mom and dad at the Alpine Hilton in Chapache they will feed you a home cooked meal.......good luck over there.. Jeff

The judge handed down the ruling on the pet bull killed up off Porter Mtn. Road..........8 hours of community service. G&F vows to prosecute via other means. I just heard it on the radio yesterday.....what is the consensus out there. I mean if G&F hauled it in then it has to be worth more than 8 hours community service. G&F is talking about fines and loss of hunting priviledges, things that fall within their ability, but what about the judicial system in this case?

Pretty good point Redline, makes sense to me....is there any diferentiation between "Discharging a firearm too close to occupied buildings" and taking a game animal in the process of discharging a firearm too close to an occupied building? When I originally posted this I had hopes of getting some of our officers to respond but realize they might be under some sort of gag order when it comes to something like this.

This is a hail mary and probably not very appropriate, but.....thought I would give it a try... I have one door at the Door Stop in Payson that I need to pick up, but they close at noon on Friday, today.......I really need that door and they can't ship it to me........ Anybody want to pick it up for me and meet me at Chilis......I'll pay for a meal or something???? The door is paid for and I will be coming through Payson about 5:00...............Lord knows this doesn't belong in the hunting section but I am desperate at this point. Thanks, Jeff

Dang Jeremy, right up here in my back yard................nice job, congrats. Jeff

Memorable moments passed on to the next tribe.........that is some fun hunting right there...............

Big thanks to Jeremyb for saving my door problems and thanks to all ya'll on this site....my wife won't make nearly as much fun of me after she hears that somebody on here lent a helping hand. Jeremy....thanks a bunch, see you around 5:00 this evening...............