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That's exactly why they got rid of them. The north American model of wildlife doesn't allow rich people to have more of a chance to hunt an animal than a poor person. And overall, with raffles there won't be a ton of difference in money made.

They laid out a pretty good estimate of how much the raffles will bring in using past numbers. For all animals but elk, sheep, and mule deer raffles make more money than the auction and for the big three auctions make more but it wasn't a ton more. They also talked about there being a way to switch it back to allowing out of staters to buy tickets. All in all the overall amount of money from auctions doesn't make that much more than raffles so the way I see it, let an average guy have a chance at a once in a lifetime tag instead of the millionaires that can go on any hunt they want in the world every single year.

The commission got rid of the auction tags this morning. They are allowing them for one more year and as of 2026 they won't be allowed. Raffle only after that. They showed the loss of money wouldn't be substantial by just having raffles vs auctions. A big point they made was something like 36% of all auction tags had been purchased by the same 3 or 5 people and how that doesn't fit the North American Model.

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That's wild that a 3c tag now takes 16 points.

I'll be the first to say that javelina should not be on the list of animals that you should have to take the meat out of the field in the first place. Props to them for taking what they did take.

How many points did you have?

3c deer are getting replaced with horses. Elk as well. Give it 5-7 years and 3c is completely toast. Supposedly they are going to start removing horses soon but I'll believe it when I see it.

Seriously? That's sad. All field days I've ever seen were .22's. Might as well just allow just the online portion if they're only letting you shoot a bb gun.

The online portion isn't the problem. Kids can take the az online course any day they please. The ethically hunting az class is just another online type hunter safety that is specifically made for adults so taking both wouldn't really accomplish much. The problem lies in the thousands of kids that have taken the online portion and then there being 50 field day spots that year. (And half of those spots seems to be in weird places like Gallup NM or something crazy)

You accidently put in for cow. .

Been through this a thousand times. They have to charge cards the next day or risk peoples cards going bad in that time period. A few years ago when they had a problem and didn't charge right away they did a whole new update deadline and charged the next day. Charges will be the morning of Wednesday the 21st. If not they will simply give a new update date and try again.

Whats crazy to me is they constantly have bonus point field days for age 18+ that have hunted three or more years but they have like two all year for youth.

Clean title?

Who's bagging on 4b? Anyone that's anyone knows 4b is the best unit in the state. 4b4life

Last year 23s had 16 residents with 24+ points trying for it. 2 got a tag. Now throw in the guys with 23 from last year (your group) and now there are 28 guys trying for the two bonus pass tags. Can always get lucky in the random and of course some of those guys may have drawn other choices last year but in reality you're looking at possible waiting 10+ years for the 23s tag if you're the last guy. 23n not looking much better with 10 guys with 24+ last year and 26 with 23+ tried for it. Certainly some of those will be the same people just applying for those two as different choices but even looking at just first choice you have 20 with 23+ wanting 23s and 17 with 23+ wanting 23n. 23n has 3 bonus pass tags vs 23s but you can see 23n could still be 5+ years out. That's also assuming noone jumps into the pool from other units with a bunch of points.

Not exactly answering your question but he could draw a 23 late rifle bull tag and have a chance at a giant. Not always a fun hunt and some rough country though. If he just wants to chase bugling bulls and doesn't care a ton about size 4b would be a good choice. I'd avoid unit 1 as it's been severely overhunted. 27 similar to unit 1 in regards to being overhunted.

Depends what you have to offer? And what hunt you want to put in for?

Being weird for me and wont load. Maybe doing something to get ready for elk draw.

That's a cool $100k right there. And everyone gets to hug and be on top of each other during the hunt. Win for everyone. . .

I'd just set one up next to it and sit in it to piss them off.

Technically you don't have to ever submit to a sobriety test. Was he driving or just out hunting and they tested him? Also a quick search of A.R.S and the hunting regulations there is no law or rule on the books regarding handling archery equipment while intoxicated (actually couldn't even find a law or rule that says you can't discharge a firearm while intoxicated but I'm sure that falls under reckless discharge or something similar).

Anyone still getting screwed by this guy deserves it. Dumb as$es. It takes two seconds to google his name and see he's a piece of trash.

Date wise they will all start two days before this years. Usually it's just one day but it's a leap year in 2024.