thank you for responding, must say, I am addicted to hunting this area after pondering what was beyond I-8 as I drove through for 30+ years on vacations and salt water fishing adventures. I am planning on going out to area in Fedruary for NWTF Spring Turkey Season Tune Up and hopeful for additional support and information to hunt in the spring. You mentioned "pay to play" and joining a club any recomendations, don't mind paying to play, that is now the world we live in. I scouted Julian and Descano area and yes there are turkey's but most certainly on alot of private property, upping my game plan. Maybe we can further talk, my email address is tom1252003@hotmail.com. thanks again