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The extended date has no affect. You could buy a license in December with a start date of Feb 12 and then apply early January before the license is even valid. As noted, AZ sells paper licenses which create a multitude of problems and vulnerabilities.

If there is only 1 nr tag under the 10% cap, it can only be drawn in the 1-2 Pass so that all nr have a chance. Part of the deal when the dept set up the 5%/5% nr change. To get the res/nr breakdowns you need to file a public info request as those reports are not published by the dept, my cost has been $25 for the Elk reports. Even with those reports there is a bit of work involved, it's not just one report nicely formatted. The draw code was broken for years which prevented the nr info from populating the report that the dept publishes (Bonus Pass by hunt number). That error was fixed a few years ago and the nr info was included that year. The dept has elected not to include that info since; I have not asked why. A more comprehensive res/nr draw odds report has been discussed for the last 10 years, most recently (a cpl years ago) it was going to be part of a portal membership option. I suspect nothing significant will change until the dept rewrites their draw code. My last conversation about that rewrite was there was no hard schedule in place. As an option, Toprut has those breakdowns, paying the dept for that info, formatting it, and now providing it as part of their "peak" membership. It's my opinion, those individual point pool numbers, per point level, per hunt code, are important pieces of data for determining where you are in the line and when you might draw. Of course those pool numbers are the prior years numbers and applicants do move around.

The 21 point app was a nr and because there is only one tag for a nr, which can’t be drawn in the bonus pass, he gets passed over. The only chance a nr has of drawing a 3148 tag is the 1-2 pass. The report shown above is the Bonus Pass report; success of 3. The five 20 point guys are also nr as is one of the 20 point second choice apps. That 2nd choice resident drew his 1st choice and was out. The computer then dropped to the 19, 18, then 17 point pools looking for residents.

Yep, the quotas have been out for a long time.

I'm warming up to your idea. The 1 year point lifespan has merit as well.

You can read an sd card from an iphone in a matter of seconds.

I hunted the burn a lot and wore a thin set of black smartwool bottoms with gym shorts and short sleeve tops. On colder days I wore Costco travel pants and various core4 or Sitka tops.

live stream works fine Article 3 passed with amendment striking passive trail camera reference. It has to go back thru the public comment stage.

I'd hunt 27.

Zero nr drew with 15 in the unit 1 early archery 2018 Bonus Pass 9 of 20 drew with 16 4 of 5 drew with 17 and 1 with 19 drew for 3a: 0 of 9 drew with 16 6 of 8 with 17 drew You'll be ridin' the pine for a bit yet.

Form letter to 300+ from what I've been told. Quite the spin from the NRA.

2018 total valid Antelope draw applicants, 31,989 2018 total valid Antelope Bonus Point purchases, 13,692 2018 total valid Elk draw applicants, 115,436 2018 total valid Elk Bonus Point purchases, 16,520 rejects, 662

New and better odds reports are currently part of the draw system rewrite and in one conversation we had it was mentioned that they may be included in a premium portal membership but that's way down the road.

This turned into a shoot show. evidently mods don't like cuss words

And look, no tags getting pulled from joe6pack and auctioned off. imagine that....

Pretty obvious it's all about the tags and their revenue. Same players, same line of bull crap. If it wasn't about the tags there'd be other options on the table being discussed.

"it should go to the next person with the highest number of points regardless of residency status." If the bounced app came from the Bonus Pass, they go back to the 1st alternate from the Bonus Pass. If the bounced app came from the 1-2 Pass, they give the tag to the 1st alternate from the 1-2 Pass. Regulation will not let them give the backfill tag to a NR if the cap has been filled. I drew my backfill tag as a nr, from a bounced app, because the guy was a nr, freeing up 1 tag. The draw reports show all 1st choice apps, a party will show as 2 first choice applicants. AZ and WY are the same in that regard; party members all have the same random number and if you look at the draw database, every applicant is listed and processed in the draw. Because they have the same number the apps appear to be "combined" into a single app in the system but that's not the case. "If your second choice takes fewer bp's to receive a bonus round permit than your first choice, and if you have the number of points needed to be guaranteed your second choice, they don't even consider your first choice." The draw program will always look at your 1st choice first, in the Bonus Pass, provided you have at least 1 point. If you are not drawn it then goes to your 2nd choice. If you have the points and a tag is available you will then draw your 2nd choice. You are now out of the draw and you have no chance to draw in the 1-2 Pass, where your points would have given you a weighted advantage and you might have drawn that 1st choice hunt.

Nr quota was one tag in the Bonus Pass and two in the 1-2 Pass. One nr from the Bonus Pass drew but was bounced, probably a credit card, which I believe then freed up a nr tag. I don't have confirmation that the nr tag was freed up but based on previous conversations, I think that's how it works. After the 1-2 pass they went back to the Bonus Pass, where the bounced tag came from, and filled the tag with the next available app, either res or nr (if the nr tag was freed up). They can't go back and un issue tags so a backfill tag could in the right circumstances leapfrog a guy who drew 2nd choice because 1st choice was filled. The backfill guy gets someone's 1st choice tag when they get bounced.

They have no report that shows the res/nr breakout, per point, for this specific hunt code. I believe if a nr gets bounced it frees up a nr tag but I didn't ask that specific question; I drew as an alternate a while back because the bounced app was a nr, freeing up a nr tag in the Bonus Pass, and I was the next guy in line.

They go back after the 1-2 Pass draw and fill the first available spot, from the draw where the bounced app came from. The people that already drew out, either in the Bonus Pass or the 1-2 Pass are now out of the draw and ineligible for that tag. In this case, they went back to the Bonus Pass and filled there, from either the 20 or 21 point pool. Backfilled tags will be reflected in the draw report from which it came, Bonus or 1-2.

I was mistaken in believing the Bonus Pass report was real time, it's generated after all cards and tags are processed. As such, an app that's bounced for a bad card will not show as drawn. The other report I have, not published, is real time and does show a successful app that may later be rejected. So, a nr drew the 1 available tag in the Bonus Pass and was later rejected.

BC, It makes more sense to me that the report is wrong and the 24 point guy drew. The nr Bonus Pass report shows zero nr drawing in the Bonus Pass, the other report shows 1 drawing in the Bonus Pass and two in the 1-2 Pass. Because none drew in the nr Bonus report, the report doesn't show the point pools, the other report isn't formatted to show point levels.

They only posted in 2016, couldn't tell you why they stoped. I keep forgetting to ask. They have the report, they just don't publish it. They get $50 for the bundle so there isn't much motivation to give it out for free. Toprut does provide it for free however. I have always assumed it would be part of the updated features ($$) of the portal if/when that ever happens.

One nr tag drawn in the Bonus Pass vs none I believe the one showing "none" is created at the same time as the published Bonus Pass by Hunt report and they're basically "data tables" being filled as the draw occurs. Real time if you will and not created after the fact.

Not all reports are published, and I'm seeing a discrepancy between them for the 3004 hunt code.