Phil Carr

Thank you for the information. Was this cow taken using a guide, or was it a do it yourself hunt? Would enjoy talking to successful or unsuccessful Bison hunters. Phil 520-975-0830

Was this last week? Was this on the Kaibab? Hope I will be so lucky.

It appears I was drawn for a tag starting September 23 in the Kaibab. I would appreciate hearing from others that get drawn for this hunt, as well as from hunters who have hunted buffalo in the past during this time of year. I would enjoy talking anyone whether you were successful or not and if you used a guide or did it on your own. Thanks Phil Coues3pt@gmail.com 520-975-0830

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I am looking for a Winchester 42 pump 410 butt stock. Only interested in one that is uncut. If you have one to sell please PM me. Thanks Phil

Most of us train with Bobwhite quail. There is no issue using these for training or field trials in AZ. You can get a free permit from G&F to train in the field with them. I buy mine here in Tucson. If you can not find any PM me and I will get you in touch with guys that raise them. Usually run $5.00 to $6.00 each.

Get him a nice 20 gauge and purchase some 2 1/2" low pressure loads from RST shotgun shell company. A little pricy but still the least expensive part of a hunt. I shoot them almost exclusively. You want your kids hunts to be successful, yet without punishing recoil. I'll even donate a box of these shells to get him started. 410's in The right hands can be quit effective. On the other hand can can be disappointing for a young hunter that is just getting into the sport of hunting. This may go against conventional wisdom, but I think you will be pleased with the results.

Terry ( 25-06) just completed two jobs for me. 800 sq feet. I could not be more pleased with the outcome. Workmanship was first class. Trustworthy and professional. If you are needing some tile work done, do yourself a favor and give Terry a call. He hooked me up with the tile company he recommended and the tile was half of what I priced else where. This is the 2nd time I have used guys from the CWT forum, Stewart plastering on my pool and now Terry. Sure nice to work with professionals.

A few years ago I had a great experience working with a Local CouesWhitail member and his company in having my swimming pool restored. It worked out very well. I now need to have some tile work done in my home and a rental about ( 600 sq..). I like to barter and have some quality firearms to trade, trade plus cash, etc. located East side Tucson. I supply materials or you supply, what ever works best. I prefer to work with a company or individual that does this for a living and has their own equipment.. If you are interested PM me, and we can discuss Phil

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Just a reminder Mearns quail Samson does not open until December 4 this year.

Hank you for your posting. It may very well keep others here from being placed in the this same situation. I would think that KOWA would make this right with you. After all these stolen optics were sold by one of their " Authorized Dealers". I would further think that they are thrilled that you are helping them recover their stolen property as well as helping to root out one of their Authorized dealers that is a BAD APPLE. It's has been my experience in life that you and KOWA may not be their first victims. Other vendors such as Luepold or others may have experienced the same shame. Now it might get real interesting for Tap it systems and Mucciolo if items were shipped to them or the shipped to buyers by mail. In which case defrauding victims by mail can bring a whole other level of investigation on a federal level.

Creedmore still available

Reduced by $200.00 now only $1000.00 40-65 Creedmore Remington rolling block reproduction. Like new only shot 40 shells through it. Vernier ladder sight, as well as buckhorn. Custom shooting sticks, 4 boxes of shells as well as 2 boxes of brass, reloading dies, powder, primers, bullets. Everything you need to start shooting. Very accurate. Note there is over $300 just in extras Consider trade for quality Double barrel SXS shotgun. I will be traveling from Tucson to Flagstaff Friday so possible if you purchase I can deliver if off of I- 10 or 17.

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Thanks, slowly reducing my collection.

I have been debating about going bear hunting. My brother has caught this bear a number of times on camera. Would like some feedback on if this is a really good bear. It appears that way to me but just not sure depending on the picture.

Wow that would pay for a guys hunt, give him a full set of hair, not even counting the Boner pills a guy could make for himself from The Gall Bladder. LOL.

Bears a fair ways from an urban area, and a 30 minute steady pass walk from any roads. I'm guessing he is eating acorns, as there are a lot in the area. I guess it could be a female, but lots of other pictures of smaller sows with Cubs. I need to see what pictures show up this coming week. I'm thinking I need to be better prepared before trying to take a bear. Heck I would not know what to do to try and render fat and how much bear fat does, a guy really need?

There are a few things that can be done to help you shoot your shotgun a little better and change the point of impact. There are many others that might be able to explain gun fit, chokes, patterning, and ways POI can be adjusted better than I can, but I'll share what I have learned from collecting SxS shotguns and shooting them. For the most part this applies to single barrel shotguns also. Now a days shotgun are built for one size fits all many times and with about 5 screw in chokes. This has been driven for the most part from the need to produce a reliable gun, that does all things for the average shooter at a good price. If we look back to the late1800's to the say 1940's here in the USA things were a little different. Gun manufactures such as Parker Bros. and LC Smith, offered their customers the ability to order a wide range of SxS shotguns from the basic field grade guns to the finest engraved guns with exhibition grade woods. The one thing all grades had in common was the ability to have your shotgun built to your specifications. Barrel lengths, chokes, types of beads, sometimes types of ribs, extractors or ejectors, and early on Damascus or Fluild steel barrels. Many customers would even call out the size of shot, and shells, or powders they wished for their guns to be patterned with. Guns were patterned to the percentage of shot in a 30" circle at 40 yards. Typically 70% of the shot would be full and on the other end cyl. Would be 40%. The manufacture would then shoot the gun and open the chokes until the customers specs were met. They would also regulate the barrels due to these being SXS shotguns you want barrels to converge and have the same point of impact. The next option that the customer had was the ability to have the Length of pull adjusted to their need. LOP is the measurement from the front trigger to the end of the butt stock measured to the middle of the butt plate. For example I shoot a shotgun best at 14". The other measurements that could be requested was DAH Drop at heel and DAC Drop at comb. These are the measurements if you layed a straight edge on top of the barrel and had it over hang the buttstock and took a 90 degree measurement down at the front of the comb and another at the heel of the buttstock it would give you this measurement. I shoot a gun best with 2 7/8" DAH and 1 7/8" DAC. One last option would be CAST ON or CAST OFF. Normally most guns were ordered with a straight cast, but I do regularly find guns that have come cast one way or the other. For me I shoot with 3/8" of cast on. So what is cast? It is where the stock is actually off set left or right. If you look down the barrel from the muzzle. ( without a doubt unloaded) sighting down the rib or barrel look at the buttstock. If it looks centered then it has no cast if you see it bends one way or the other it has some cast. Bennelli has actually put in some shims in the box with some of their guns. These offer you some ability to change LOP, DAH, DAC, and CAST. Why are these Things important? We are all built differently, large, small, shoulder width, arm length, head size etc. one size does not fit all, no different then a Jersey. I'm sure most of us at one point, shot a gun and even said, wow this gun fits me. Now I think we shoot shotguns two different ways. One is the way we shoot a shotgun say at turkeys we "Aim". Looking down the barrel at the bead using it as a sight.That said you should sight in your shotgun in the sitting position you will be more or less in when you are calling the turkey. Usually a full choked fixed choke gun or a gun with a full choke Tukey choke is best. Get a few of your friends together and buy a number of different loads. Test them for pattern uniformity and density. Some guns and choke combinations just perform best with a certain load. The one that works for your friends may not pattern well in yours. I check POI ON my turkey guns at 30 yards. Use some large pieces of card board, or a roll of 36" painters masking paper. Put about a 2" dot in the center and shoot your gun. When you shoot stationary targets the bead is the front sight, your eye is the rear sight. If you think of it this way it makes sense. If you find your pattern is too low you need to raise the rear sight (your eye) so it shoots higher. An easy way to accomplish this is through the use of shims if you are fortunate enough to own a Bennelli or similar gun that provides shims. There are also a number of comb pads I believe Kickeez sp? Makes one. A search on the Internet will locate suppliers. If you add a comb pad it raises the eye and your impact be higher. You may be surprised by the difference it makes. Lowering the POI can be a little more of a challenge. If you can not shim but have a wood stock you can with a little skill slowly work down the comb, lowering your eye, and in turn lowering the point of impact.There are a number of options like adjustable combs as well. What I have done with my favorite shotguns, (wood stocks) and that is sending them to a gunsmith versed in bending buttstocks and for about $150-$200 get the gun bent to your dimensions. I will repeat I am only sharing what I have learned from my personal experience there are surly some highly qualified Trap and Skeet shooters on this forum that can chime in and share even more information on this subject. I was nieve when I had a custom shotgun built. I had spent good money to have a gun built and simple built the gun to a standard specification. It was not until after I received the gun and shot it with disappointing results that decided I needed to find out why. With some research I determined that the gun just did not fit. I was traveling to Whicita regularly and found that there was a well known gun fitter by the name of Michell Murphy just out side of Whicita. I made an appointment and took my shotgun along. What I found out was very eye opening. The buttstock was a half inch too long. At 16 yards I was shooting high and several inches to the side. The stock was shortened to 14" and the stock placed in a jig and heated with oil. This dropped the comb down 1/4" and imparted 3/8" of cast on. It took about a month and the gun was shipped back to me. Where before the best I could do was 15 or 16 out of 25 at the skeet range, the first day I took it to the range I was shooting 22-23. Only change was getting the gun fit. This convinced me of the value of proper fit. The truth is I am not a great skeet shooter and have never spent much time doing it. I do love shooting birds. That brings me to what I learned about the difference between shooting more or less stationary targets shooting a shotgun like a rifle, and shooting birds like quail. When you quail hunt most of your shooting is done on the flush. Hunting over my dogs I always walk in barrel up, and gun not mounted. When the covey rises my eye goes to the bird and I never see the bead on my gun. I usually shoot very well. It is only at times when I am shooting dove, and I see the bird coming a ways out I have problems. I mount the gun, line up the bead, take my time, and then miss. It seems hard to believe, how did I miss. I think it is because I am looking at the bead trying to sight on this fast moving target. To me it's like baseball. When someone throws a ball to you you don't look at your glove and the line up the glove to catch the ball. You simply track the ball with your eye, and your mind and hand coordinate to catch the ball. You never even looked at the glove. Same thing happens or should happen when you shoot at a bird. You should see the bird and instictivly swing on the bird and pulling the trigger. Never looking at the bead. When a gun fits you you will find your success goes way up. This is why you target your shotgun differently than you do with stationary targets. The best way is go to a skeet range that has a patterning grease plate. This usually consist of a steel plate about shoulder high with a center Mark, or a hole in the center. There is usually a paint roller with grease or white paint. You simple roll over the plate covering a previous marks from shot hitting the plate. I go back 16 yards, with out mounting the gun, and without aiming, just look at the mark, mount the gun quickly and shoot. I usually shoot 3 shots one right after the other, bringing the gun down and then repeating. You will soon see your POI. A general rule is for every 1/16" you move you DAH or CAST will move the impact about an inch at that distance. Some guys like their guns to shoot 60% high of center. I like mine even around the center. As far as finding your length of pull, you can try different things. Wear the shirt vest that you will typically wear when hunting when you snap the gun to your shoulder if it hits your arm pit, or drags it might be a little long. If when you bring the gun up you been like you are needing to pull the gun back against your shoulder possibly it is too short. Try removing the buttplate or recoil pad to make it shorter, Slowly add some length using some cardboard shims and some duct tape if you feel it is too short. Or leave the plate in place and add shims to lengthen the pull. Play with it until when you snap it up it fits just right. Then take a measurement from the front of the trigger to the end of the stock. This will be your LOP. Stocks can be cut down very reasonably. As well as there are recoil pads that come in different sizes. Once you have done your range work and have recorded the numbers you can get your gun to fit you like it was made for you. Sorry if this is a little long, I just hope that I am able to share some information that might help out some members that have interests in this area. Also forgive me for any misspelled words or horrible sentence structure. I will post a few records on some Parker shotguns I own that relate to patterning, and gun fit shortly.

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Just a reminder This coming Tuesday is the last day to submit your permits. I know we have until Tuesday at 11:59:59 but why test the system. LOL. Mine are all in and I can now relax. Brought to you by "Concerned Hunters for the prevention of P&M"😀

Funny, I had a friend that was signed up for this exact same class. Seems he missed it. Told me he had been dealing with a Growing Mucsle (sp?)