I have switched to harvest time arrows, I shoot the HT-1 with a penetrator insert, the arrow weighs 375 grains without a tip. These arrows are basically the same as the victory arrow but much heavier, they pack a punch. I shoot a 29 in arrow with a 100 grain tip (475 total weight), 2.25 bohning shield cut vanes with skull wraps and this out penetrates the FMJ and flatlines that I shot before. I shoot a PSE AXE6 set at 67 pounds, 29 inch draw and get my HT-1 arrow coming out at 285FPS. I have not used them on any animals yet as I only received them 2 months ago. I ordered them from a guy on the web, he built them up for me and I can not wait to try them out, check them out on youtube!