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i guess some folks just don't get it. anytime you put skin color in the equation negatively, it's racist. you really have a dim view of things. this is about a helluva lot more than somebody trying to get rich mowing lawns. this is about the security of America on all fronts. our laws, finances, ethics, safety, security, plain ol' American way of life, are at stake. if you can't make a living without paying illegal aliens next to nothing then maybe it's time to look at a different career. if there is some sort of amnesty or guest worker program wages are going to go way up. the only way to keep things the way they are is to continue to break the law and keep folks in poverty. as far as all the boycotts, big deal. there are gonna be so many other states doing the same thing in the near future that it won't work. the same things were said about employee sanctions. racist, white people won't do the work, we're gonna go broke if we can't keep abusing the mexicans, we're gonna boycott ya, blah, blah, blah. all this law does is make it legal to enforce the laws we already have. i don't see why folks can't figger that out. Lark.

all them goofy coues deer hunters. Lark.

that is one cool find. i've seen a few one antlered elk, but that thing is weird. that horn is right in the middle of it's head. i'd think that head would be worth a lotta money. at least a lot more than a spike antler. Lark.

ok casey, just what is "assination"? some family reunion game you guys play? that just sounds real bad. as far as this sight, i really like it because it's real easy to be the smartest guy on it. i get lost in a lotta conversations and end up sayin' somethin' like "oh yeah, well @#%$ you!!", and figger i won the arguement. i never hafta do that here. i'm pretty sure i'm the best lookin' guy on this sight too. thanks, Amanda. oh yeah, if ya ever wanna do a calendar of cw.com guys, i'd be glad to model for ya. in fact, a cw.com calendar is a good idea. run with it. i won't charge no royaltys. Lark.

coues slayer, do you realize how racist your last remark is? when it gets hot us white guys lay in the shade so throw a buncha mexicans out there do it. they'll do anything!? and everbody says 1070 is racist? and even if you really do feel that way, attitudes like that are one of the biggest problems with illegal immigration. i don't know if you really realize what you're saying but what it amounts to is that you want an automatic bunch of 3rd class citizens that will do work nobody else wants to do. the goal of legal immigration is so folks can come here and improve themselves and become part of the American system. not to come here and be put in a box where you can only do "wetback" work and not be able to improve on your life. anyone who thinks we need open borders for cheap labor is thinking how the "massa's" of the old south did during slavery. "we gotta have all o' these darkies to do the work white folk don't wanna do". we should want people to immigrate. we should never want to keep this wonderfull country to ourselves. we should want people to come here and see what hard work can do in a capitilistic system. raise their kids in a good safe place where hunger is nonexistent and fear is kept at bay. but they must do it within the process that is provided. enticing people to come here and bust their butt for nothing just ain't right. Lark.

all the pro-illegal folks think it is against the law to enforce the law. Lark.

well, is jane gonna sign this anti illegal immigration bill? looks to me like if she wants to get reelected she's gonna have to. if she lets it sit it looks pretty weak and if she vetos it i think she ain't gotta chance for re-election. looks like there is a pretty weak bunch for her to run against on the republican ticket and i don't see that 4 eyed limp wristed goddard as being a very rough competitor. polls say 70% of Az residents are for 1070. so if she vetos it it could be a stake through the heart for her. this is gonna be a real intersting time in AZ. if she signs it and it goes into law we're gonna see a lotta protests and yellin' for awhile but after it becomes law most o' the folks that'll be doing the most hollering will be either in mexico or a state that doesn't have 1070. new mexico and texas are gonna hafta pass their own version of 1070 in order to keep a tidal wave of illegals outta their states. yep, interesting times for sure. as for me, i'm all for it. i don't see any need for it because it's completely redundant. we already have laws to cover everything this bill covers, they are just not enforced. this bill will make em be enforced. any other opinions? this is a big deal for our state. real big. even if somebody can get the courts to overturn it, it will be a long time before they can get it there. they tried the same thing with the employee sanction bill and lost big time. states rights are completely different than federal law and it's real hard for a court to overturn something legally passed in a state. anyway, lets her some comments. this is a big deal. Lark.

check out this headline from today. made ma laugh. dang sure a new style of "terrorism". Lark. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/201...vandalized.html

only thing holdin' ya back is you. like stan said, a .30/30 is a helluva lot better than a bow. i still pack one horseback all the time. Lark.

when has anyone here ever been stopped by a cop and not asked to provide I.D.? this isn't about looking like a mexican. it's about having to provide identification and if you can't you might get shipped out. in the past, if a cop stopped ya and you had no way of proving you were legal they usually sent you on your way. now they can press the issue. and this bill has nothing to do with closing the border. that's the feds job. this bill is to deal with folks after they get here because the feds won't do their job. if ya have a drivers license, everything is cool. Lark.

excellent snapshot. i can't wait the poem jaime posts to refute your numbers. illegal aliens are killing America. the need to go home and make wherever they come from more like here instead of trying to make here more like there. Lark.

big heavy barrels don't give you much unless your shooting a lot of rounds at one time. the extra weight can be a benefit for recoil but they do very little for shot to shot accuracy. heavy barrels dissipate heat better, but have very little accuracy benefit in a hunting rifle. what is inside the barrel; lands, grooves, throat, rifle twist, chamber, are 10x as important as what's on the outside. i made a .300 win mag last summer that is a legitimate 1000 yd rifle and i had a fairly skinny schnieder barrel installed on a model 70. i killed a muley at 565 and a bull elk at 900 with it this past fall. with a good rest it is amazing what it will do at any range. 800 yards isn't even hard. with scope and everything it tips out at about 9 pounds. used the original wood stock. leupold vari x 3, 6.5x20 with a custom retical. i purposely had the barrel machined down quite skinny just for the weight. senderos are stupid heavy. real accurate, but real heavy. good rifle for the price. another option for weight is a christensen. my son has a 300 ultra that is pretty amazing. but you don't have to go with a real heavy rifle to get one accurate. good barrel, good trigger, good scope and ammo that works in it is the trick. Lark.

actually mcviegh was pulled over for having expired plates on his car. i don't think it was illegal for him to have the gun. if he had a car with current plates there is a real good chance they would have got away. but you're right, there wasn't any profiling. 1070 doesn't provide for cops to pull anyone over because the look illegal. it does provide for them to be able to ask you about your citizenship status if you break the law and are pulled over. of course i've seen cops pull people over for cracked windshields and for having a ball cap on the dashboard too. Lark.

to celebrate the signing of 1070 i went to fillberto's. Lark.

the news said the kids that walked out of trevor brown were going to march to the capital but they started walking north. the capital is southeast of there. then they ran into the kids walking out of maryvale and they got in a fight because they don't like each other. if that ain't funny nothin' is. and it really shows the intelligence of the kids. no wonder we have some many illegal aliens. they're lost. Lark.

i didn't even think o' that. dang sure could be. them sorry sob's have been caught time and time again fabricating evidence. Lark.

sorta interestin. ain't globe quite a ways north of where you'd typically see one? i'm leaning toward the loose pet theory. Lark.

well, bless her heart, Jane signed it. i'm gonna hafta quit bashin' her quite as hard. good for her. now we have to go through the process of the stupid lawsuits where folks say enforcing the law is against the law. all the hand wringin' and wailin' about racial profiling if you get in a wreck or get busted speeding or any other thing where ya gotta show your I.D. it's gonna be a long haul and we hafta make sure to elect folks who will uphold this new bill. we gotta keep that dork goddard outta office first. i still don't know who to vote for in the U.S. senate race. i know i don't like mcain but JD ain't too shiny either. lesser of 2 evils. i know mccain has been there a long time and hasn't done much but whine about stuff. but dang, this is a good start. a real good start. and jaime, what the heck are you talkin' about? the gadsen purchase? do even know what it was? it was basically the last shot in the war with mexico. the U.S. "conquered" mexico. even took over mexico city. whipped em all over the place. and mexico fired the first shot in that war and santa anna got his butt kicked again. so instead of taking over the entire country, which a lotta folks wanted to do and it would have been better for everbody, after the treaty of guadalupe hidalgo, we "bought" the gadsen purchase from mexico. they sold it to us so we would leave the rest of the country, that we conquered, alone. sold it for their price. not ours. mexicans can whine all they want about the gadsen purchase, but they started another war they couldn't win, just like the war for texas independence, and lost again and ended up "selling" a real small part of northern mexico. when we coulda took over the whole dang place. we did get Az, new mex, utah, california, colorado, and parts of several other states, but then again, they fired first. they never would have been able to hold onto those states anyway. too far from mexico city and they were too weak of a country. but again, what does that have to do with 1070? Lark.

my first ancestor here landed at plymouth mass in 1630. i also have a full bleed creek great x6 gramma. so i can claim injun blood too. my kin fought and died in every war we've ever been in. my kin settled the west. if i ain't a native American, nobody is. this ain't about race. the people protesting it are using race because it gets press. it's about the law. Az is bleeding to death because of a lot of things but one thing that we can have direct control of and can change and make a huge difference in, is this "illegal" alien deal. it will save the state billions per year. billions. crime will drop so much it ain't funny. we'll have a surplus of taxes because we won't be supporting parasites. there will be more jobs. the roads will be safer. we won't have to deal with all this safe house, kidnapping, drugs, theft, fraud, murder, smuggling, etc, that is all directly attributed to illegal alien activity. get off the race deal, it's bull$h!t. come up with some real reasons that have merit. and don't give me anything about they're doing the jobs Americans won't. there ain't anything Americans won't do. the entire world is on our backs and has been since WWII. we support everyone. we're like the sun and everyone else revolves around us. period. we have a very precise, set, legal means of immigration. use it or go to jail and then get sent home. and i dare anyone against 1070 to look up mexico's immigration laws and compare them to ours. you can't even immigrate from town to town or state to there without forfeiting your rights. can't even vote. this ain't about race or culture color or religion. it's about the law. our law. obey it or stay home. Lark.

my first ancestor here landed at plymouth mass in 1630. i also have a full bleed creek great x6 gramma. so i can claim injun blood too. my kin fought and died in every war we've ever been in. my kin settled the west. if i ain't a native American, nobody is. this ain't about race. the people protesting it are using race because it gets press. it's about the law. Az is bleeding to death because of a lot of things but one thing that we can have direct control of and can change and make a huge difference in, is this "illegal" alien deal. it will save the state billions per year. billions. crime will drop so much it ain't funny. we'll have a surplus of taxes because we won't be supporting parasites. there will be more jobs. the roads will be safer. we won't have to deal with all this safe house, kidnapping, drugs, theft, fraud, murder, smuggling, etc, that is all directly attributed to illegal alien activity. get off the race deal, it's bull$h!t. come up with some real reasons that have merit. and don't give me anything about they're doing the jobs Americans won't. there ain't anything Americans won't do. the entire world is on our backs and has been since WWII. we support everyone. we're like the sun and everyone else revolves around us. period. we have a very precise, set, legal means of immigration. use it or go to jail and then get sent home. and i dare anyone against 1070 to look up mexico's immigration laws and compare them to ours. you can't even immigrate from town to town or state to there without forfeiting your rights. can't even vote. this ain't about race or culture color or religion. it's about the law. our law. obey it or stay home. Lark.

ebb, i kinda think this bill will stand. there were a buncha folks betting the employee sanctions law wouldn't hold up, but it did. o' course it was the same bunch that are saying the same thing about this bill. and the aclu ain't a law making body or a court. just a buncha liberal @$$holes that complain about everything. what floyd said has a lot of merit. when Rob Krentz died it pulled a lot of fence sitters into the fight. and it shut up a lotta the more vocal pro-illegal drum bangers because they knew it changed things too. i predict more bad stuff on the border. a lot more. the mexican outlaws are used to everyone just getting out of their way. i'm thinking there are gonna be a lot more confrontations. these mexican gangsters have been able to buy any kinda hit they want in mexico for years. when they get shut down at the border they're gonna send their killers north. i kinda think what happened to Rob Krents might have been something of that sort. anyway, if this bill becomes law it's gonna make it real difficult for law breakers from the south to live here. can you imagine what joe will do with it? and that lumberjack napalitano and obama can't do anything about it. they can cover the border and even keep the state law away from it but they can't keep Az cops from enforcing Az law in Az. and it will cause new mex and texas to do something similar because all the crap leaking into this state will head for them in a crap tidal wave. whatever, there have been some good comments here. thoughtfull stuff. our state needs thoughtfull action. we've had 35 years of revolving door governors, many of whom have been fighting to stay in the job and outta prison and to get elected, the entire time they were in office and too little attention has been paid to some real critical problems. this is one of them. and kyl and mcain haven't been much of a help. well, until lately, whey they finally realized that the vast majority of this state hated this crap and wasn't gonna re-elect em. stay on top of the issues. look real close to who and what you're voting for. see what kinda baggage folks bring with them to office. used to be we had some guys representing us in dc that actually cared about Az. all we have now is guys that care about getting re-elected. hope jane grows some and signs this. we need it and even more. pay attention fellers. this is gonna get intersting. remember si se pueda? well, we matter too. and we're legal voters. Lark.

why worry about it? the kids that are for it want to stay in school, learn to do something beneficial and be a contributing member citizen. the kids that walked out are most likely gonna be fast food workers and minimum wage day labor anyway. and we gotta have cheeseburgers and car washers. it's just the circle of life. Lark.

i've never seen a lion lose a whole foot in a trap, but i've seen a lotta toes. also seen em caught by back feet several times. i've seen em that if they woulda got loose, they woulda lost their foot, if they didn't die from it. also know of at least one bear that lost his nuts in a trap. even seen the trap that still had his bag in it. that had to be one sad bear. i don't know it all about trappin' lions, but do have enough experience to know i'd never say that there was no way it could happen. one thing that could make me agree it didn't lose it in a trap tho is the fact that ya can't hardly legally trap a lion anymore. Lark.

first off, "mexican" ain't a race, it's a nationality. i've seen irish and polish "illegal aliens". the polish dude was a real prize. name was juan potaznik. but they were mexicans because they were born there. mexico is as diverse as we are. i also don't understand all the religious tones applied here. this ain't about religion, it's about law. man's law. too bad we need laws, but we do. but they are worthless without enforcement. hopefully this bill will force cops to enforce the law. or allow em too, whatever the case is. i see now that the new mex gov wants jane to veto the 1070. i bet so. this is gonna turn new mex into a dang smugglers funnel. and texas. california already is and they aren't about to do anything that might be politically incorrect. might be correct, but correct is wrong in california. i see where former mesa police chief gascon is against it. he left mesa for san francisco. a declared sanctuary city. and he tried to make mesa one the entire he was there too. so no surpise there. and some police chief from connecticut is agianst it too. connecticut? now that's a stretch. jane best worry about Az. and if she wants to have a prayer of being elected (she wasn't elected in the first place) she best sign it. and the 70% of the Az. population that wants it best support it and not back up an inch. we have a real problem here. and a big part of the problem is that since a guy named jack williams was governor (1975) we haven't had a governor get elected, spend their entire time in office and either choose to not to run or not get re-elected. 35 years o' this crap. a guy name raul castro got elected in 75, after almost 2 years he was offered an ambassadorship somewhere and took it. this made a guy name wes bolin, the secretary of state, the gov. he died shortly after and that's how we got bruce babbit. he was gov for awhile and decided to run for president and on his way out the door signed, illegally, the first mlk holiday. the next election ev mecham won in a 3 way race. he got impeached and booted from office and that is how we got behive head rose mofford. she finally retired just before she petrified and fyfe symington won the election. then he got busted doing something illegal and was removed and we got propane jane hull. after her we got the lumberjack mr napalitano, a clinton/reno carpet bagger appointee to the fed court that stayed around. then he pulled the big runner and is now our homeland insecurity cheif and on the short list for the buckwheat and supreme court and that gave us the new jane. so for 35 years we've had one truck load o' crap after another that wasn't in it to do anything but improve their own lot. they've proved it by the crap they've pull. we need a governor that will get elected and stick around until the job is done and not be always looking for a better job. i guess if a guy wants to be gov of Az they need to run for sec of state. that seems to be main line to the office. from what i've seen so far, this buz guy looks the best to me. goddard is plum spooky. he'll give this state away to mexico. jane ain't the answer. especially if she won't sign this bill. she oughta do it while there are fire works goin' off behind her. i don't get any kinda warm feeling from dean martin or any of the other guys that have declared either. but jane best sign this and if she vetos it she needs to leave the state. Lark.

a guy shot me with a 7mm/08 and it made a wound about like that. i just used super glue and duct tape tho. twist them nails off dude. when ya get old like me ya can only get a couple in at a time before you gotta set his foot down and rest anyway. Lark.