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i just looked. the results are up! they really are this time. amazing. i finally got a sheep tag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lark.

i heard it on the radio this morning. i'm thinking there is a lot more to it than the azgfd wants to admit. seems like i read they think there are only like 6 jags north of the border. some real small number what ever it is. and they go and snare one, collar him up, and then retrap him and put him under. ain't they endangered? the azgfd hire jack kervorkian? if he was so old and sick, why did they put a collar on him? i think jags are pretty cool. neat as heck in fact. but i really disagree with trying to make some sort of sanctuary for them in the U.S. tho. they are a jungle animal that thrives in the tropic swamps. the ones we have here are transient animals on the very absolute northern edge of their range. there have never been more than a handfull in the states at anyone time. if they tried to do some relocation or reintroduction deal it would be a worse story than the wolf program. but the ones that we do have deserve to be protected reasonably. sending someone to snare one of the few we have and then letting it turn into the ridiculous story it has sounds criminal to me. i don't care what kind of story they have about what they were trying to do, they were there to snag this jag. i hope whoever the employee is and his supervisors are, are held accountable and i hope it is painfull for em. there was no call for the events that led up to this old jag getting the needle. Lark.

a "collard" shirt? why not mustard greens or cabbage? oh wait, this is casey, he probly means "collared". then again, he might really have a shirt made outta collards too. and i really really love collards too. but i'd ruther have a bacon or a jerky shirt myself. ya gotta use them 'e's' casey. just like them commas. member? by the way amanda, if you wanna really sell a lotta shirts you could put a pitcher o' me on em. all the girls would want several. ya won't even hafta split it or nothin', you can have it all. in fact, they'd probly buy em by the box, so's they could cut out my pitcher and make masks for them ugly dudes they're married to, to wear all the time. it's a curse bein' so foxy. it really is. Lark.

c'mon, i'll bet at least 40 o' you dorks looked. just won't admit it. heck, when i read it, i looked myself. and danged if i wernt right. yhere they wuz. go figger. i got a sheep tag. finally. Lark.

ok now, everbuddy that looked raise yer hand. Lark.

i just look at the azgfd website. said some of the results will be up today. they've finally figured out how to do things i guess. Lark.

a good rule of thumb is .0010" (10/1000's) off the lands. if your freebore is where you say it is you might see some poor accuracy with the bullet as far back as your book says. i usually like bullets to just touch the lands. in small calibers i've had some problems with leaving the bullet in the barrel when you extract a live round from the chamber tho, so i usually load .22 cal .0050" off the lands. a lot of target shooters used to load their rounds maybe .0010" long and let the bolt seat it. that way they had positive lockup in the lands each shot should be real close to exact. but you have to make sure you shoot it everytime you load a round and it makes it a little hard to close the bolt. if you can get reasonably close to the lands you should be able to achieve good accuracy. the trick is to get the bullet into the lands soon enough that it can't start any kind of wobble and throw off accuracy. with the long neck of a .270 that isn't too hard to accomplish. Lark.

heck, no wonder it seems like every year is shorter than the one before. i thought it was just old age. it's earthquakes. there is earthquakes all the time. purty soon we'll hafta take out a whole month. i say lets take out february. gameholler won't hafta make that trip to punxatawny anymore. Lark.

reloading books give you a place to start. this is a lot like the .300 mag discussion. one thing to do is to shoot some at what the book recommends and see if they're accurate. 3.4+" COL seems a little long, but i don't know for sure how your rifle is made. all bullets have a different taper too, and this will affect where they catch the lands. i shoot 140 gr hornadys at 3.355 COL. this is a real tight fit with several thousandths of the bullet in the lands. makes a lot of pressure, but it is real accurate in my rifle. my rifle has also been shot several thousand times and i'm sure there is some erosiion moving the lands out some. it is also an old winchester and they seem to all have long throats. the newer rugers and remingtons seem to have really short throats and have to loaded accordingly. i'd load some at what the book says and see how they shoot and then adjust from there if needed. one thing to keep in mind, if you get them too long you could end up with problems getting them to fit in the magazine. Lark.

yep, it's cryin' shame now that capitalism has invaded the rez. Lark.

i say get a quail sittin' on a nekked woman. Lark.

it's been my experience that some guns are kinda tricky to figure out where the lands start. i can't imagine a rifle with a throat as long you say yours is that would hit with any kind of bullet. not saying it ain't so, it just seems odd. i'd find somebody who could get you a good measurement on it somehow, either with a borescope or just somebody that really knows what they're doing. there's a lotta stuff that can go on in that little area, and it's all real critiical to accuracy. that or just sell it and get a .270. good luck. Lark.

i had to go to the gila valley to a funeral early this morning. there were guys lined up to bylas waitin' to git in for a tag. place looked like a used car lot. Lark.

i use h4831sc hogdon powder. loads a lot easier than 4831. i use hornady 165 gr btsp interlocks going 3250 fps. i don't give anybody but family powder grains because i use a lotta powder and don't want somebody using my load and having problems because of it. you'll hafta figure that out. when my kids bought me this new scope it was set up for 3250 fps so i actually had to drop my loads a little. i was spittin' em out at about 3350. there are bullets with better BC's and stuff, but i've always used the hornadys, i have never had one come apart and they have always been very accurate. my son can shoot inside an inch at 300 yards with it. you can't do much better than that. with my old eyes, wore out body and new shoulder i wobble a little after a dozen or so rounds so i get my kids to do the fine tunin'. the guy that did the barrel gave me a break in procedure and i followed it to the letter. don't know how much it had to do with it, but this is one shootin' sob. i tinkered with it in pig camp last weekend and smoked a rock less than a foot in diameter at 765 yards. just on the bypods on a camp table. no sand bags or other stuff that helps shoot better. i love it. if i would have known they were getting me this scope i might have had it set up for 180's but as it is it wouldn't make any difference. this thing is amazing. it oughta be illegal. heck, i can kill stuff so far away i hafta put salt on my bullets so the aminal don't spoil before i get to it. i still think there is something goofy with your throat. i think you may not be getting a good read on it. it can be kinda tricky to figure it out. good luck. Lark

huh? i miss somethin'? Lark.

how are you determining where the lands really are? if that's the case it sounds like a really screwed up chamber. if you determine that this is actually the case, take it to a gunsmith and have him move the barell shoulder forward a little and re-ream the chamber. i always paint the bullet in a few loaded rounds with a magic marker and see where the lands touch. they will scrape off a little of the ink. and then adjust from there. i have a rifle that sounds a lot like yours and it shot great, until i wore out the barrell. shoots even better now with a new schnieder. i shoot 165's. if you don't have enough bullet in the neck, you can have some real heartburn with bullets in the magazine coming out of the case. i'd do the magic marker deal and if you really have that much throat i'd have somebody measure it. you're gonna have some real problems with accuracy and getting loaded rounds to fit in the magazine if you have a throat that is that far outta spec. Lark.

if my neighbor gets sick i'm gonna feel bad about it, but i don't understand why i should have to pay for it. i don't understand why anyone should have to pay for someone else getting sick. or not working or getting a crappy loan on their house or any of the other stupid stuff that obama wants to enable people to stay on the dole. the entire socialized system isn't for me. i'll take care of myself and don't want anyone else to have to or want to. i have my own way of paying for health care. but if this obama crap happens then the gov't is gonna have the say in what i can have done, who does it, who pays for it, when i can get it done, etc. and no matter what i'll have to buy into it. there isn't any socialized medicine that i want any part of. Lark.

what the heck is goin' on? i was puttin' a stool in a guys groundblind once and he come a walkin' up and got all pissed off at me. and you guys all want a stool deposited in yours? i guess i found the only guy with a blind that didn't want a stool in his. i told him i tought it was a outhouse. Lark.

i like to here myself cyber talk. i like to here myself cyber talk. Lark, Lark.

yeah and if the dates don't jive with the pitcher they're gonna send the cyber cops to question ya. Lark.

here's another good article. well, good if you're a flatearther. i like the comments at the end. the dog ate my homework is classic. Lark. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...-organised.html

it's just the weather. it changes. it always does. i like it when they talk about whether or not Az. is in a drought. look around moron, it's a stinkin' desert, it's always a drought here. we have the dry season and the really dry season. and sometimes it gets extra dry. whenever poiticians get involved in anything, it's about money. taking yours and giving it to somebody else. Lark.

str8shot wasn't confusing them, it just sorta looked that way. a few years ago a guy from tucson killed what was at the time the world record nontypical coues. this guy had several years of sheds from this buck and had been after it for awhile. when he shot it somebody got jealous and finked him out to the azgfd and said he shot it outta season. they took his photos and said because of the way the shadows were that he shot it either before or after the season. can't remember which way they said it was. anyway, they confiscated his buck and rit him a big ol' poachin' ticket and all that. he got an attorney and won in court. from what i heard the evidence was pretty flimsey and the guy was a pretty good guy on top of that. cost him a fortune, and from what i remember, b&c wouldn't recognize it because of the stain he got on him from the azgfd. it was a pretty crappy deal all around. made him look bad when he didn't deserve it and made the azgfd look bad. and it cost the guy a buncha money. maybe they don't have very good memories, but this looks like a situation where there could be some similar results. if you read the proclomation real good, you can't hardly leave your house with a gun and not break a law. there are some real bad guys out there. guys who have no reason having a license. outlaws with no morals what so ever. there needs to be some real effort in removing them from the herd. spending a bunch of time and effort on something that isn't going to catch a bad guy just isn't worthwhile. and if you let someone, even if it's a cop, violate the rights of a citizen and a homeowner (you) then you deserve it. and whoever said that game wardens have more authority than other cops is wrong. cops are cops. outside of tribal cops, they have no real boundaries to their jurisdiction. heck, anybody can pull a citizens arrest, anywhere. i think a cop has that much authority too. cops of all kinds have a job to do, get the bad guys. that's what they need to put their efforts in to. if a bunny sherrif has some good info that some dork has done something he needs pounded over, then go get him. but going around willy nilly askin' folks to prove when a photo was taken doesn't seem to be too be a very good use of resource. Lark.

those same laws protect against unlawful search and seizure too. "MY" house is "MY" house and nobody is going to come in "MY" house and go on a fishing trip without a warrant and i refuse to give anybody any ammo to shoot me with. if these guys wanna do this type of stuff, i don't care, just don't expect me to submit without a some sort of writ saying it's legal and as far as answering questions, there is a thing called the 5th ammendment, a civil right, that says ya don't have to. the azgfd needs to spend more time chasing the real bad guys and being in the field doing real work, not chasing around cyber stuff. that's too napalitanoish for me. if you wanna let guys come to your house on a fishing trip, go ahead, the same laws that say i don't have say you can if you want. Lark.

a few years ago there was a big push to make all the illegal aliens citizens and it was going to pass and bush was going to sign it. and kyl and mccain were the leaders of the mess. there was so much backlash from the public with emails, letters and phone calls that it scared the $h!t outta DC and they backed off. mccain and kyl didn't even vote for their own proposal. they would never get reelected if they did. if you show these turd heads, and every politician eventually turns into one, that they will lose the next election if they support a particular bill, they won't vote for it. that is why obama and the democrats have not been able to pass one of his commie proposals, even with a filbuster proof majority, in over a year. that is why joizzy and virginny went republican in their gov elections and why scott brown won ted chappaquidicks ol' senate seat in mass., and it scared the heck outta all these DC jerks and it is this tea party stuff that is the root of obamas failures. his own guys are scared $h!tless of the next election. that why harry reid is as good as retired and buncha the other jokers too. this tea party deal is a dang good thing and it isn't supported by the media or any one single powerfull group or organization. it is supported by AMERICANS! tax paying, hard working, intelligent, educated AMERICANS. not commies. Lark.