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no, it is made better. actually best. once you get to perfection, yer sposeta quit. your gonna end with somethin' like genetically altered plants. like talkin' corn or taters with real eyes. yer not sposeta mess with perfection. Lark.

why do you idjuts even mess with all them goofy ca'tridges when there is a .270? you can't see it, but i'm shakin' my head right now goin' tisk, tisk, tisk. Lark.

like i said, i get tested once a year. worked in a high risk trade for metal disease for a long time. i've never had a positive test. not from the work or from eating "contaminated" meat. and what i'm talking about is the usfw trying to control more land. if you want to use copper bullets that's your choice. i have no problem with it what so ever. in fact, if that makes you feel better, i encourage it. but don't tell me that lead in deer guts has anything to do with lead poisoning in condors. eagles, hawks, especially red tails, ravens and turkey vultures are all protected and eat carrion. the bald eagle is considered endangered. they all eat the same things as condors, from the same area. why aren't they dropping like flies? why isn't there any concern over them getting lead poisoning? over the years i've consumed parts of countless big game animals and birds taken with lead projectiles. swallowed more than one piece of 8 shot. i imagine i've ingested more than one piece of a bullet. i have a bullet in me. worked in a heavy metal rich enironment for years. i've never contracted lead poisoning. never even had it show up in the annual tests. i can appreciate your concern for the health of you and your family and if you feel you don't want to take a chance on lead projectiles i support you 100%. but i refuse to believe that bullets are a contributer to lead poisoning in condors. it is the beginning of a ploy by the usfw have more control. Lark.

lead is everywhere. the area around the grand canyon has uranium and lead all over the place. you find both minerals in the same places. you also fine lead where you find silver. buzzards have a gizzard. they fill it with rocks. wouldn't be hard to get infected that way. you also find lead in roadkill from car exhaust. even if everyone uses unleaded gas. the forest circus gave everything a liberal coat of lead paint for decades. to blame lead poisoning in california buzzards soley on bullets is completely irresponsible. it is just one more way to have control. why aren't the ravens, red tails and eagles getting it too? or the blue jays? why just buzzards? ever think of that? there are a helluva lot more of the other birds than there are buzzards. lead poisoning is a real thing. and it is really bad. but it takes lead on almost a molecular scale to cause it. the lead needs to be in solution or in a vapor or gas for it to have a big effect on people. that why the romans went nuts. lead pipe. the water leached the lead into solution and they drank it and it went into their blood. same with lead crystal glasses and booze containers. i've had a bullet in me for decades. i don't have lead poisoning. and i can prove it because i have to have a heavy metal blood test done periodically because of the work i did for years. the endangered species act is not about the species recovering. that's the last thing they want. even when a plan works, like it has on the yellowstone wolves, they won't let go of it. it is about taking liberties away from folks who use the land and this is a convenient way to do it. looking at some of the stuff that the usfw has been caught doing, like planting lynx hair, dragging off wolf kills around yellowstone, heck there ain't space to list it all, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the lead poisoning is a plant by them too. i've never seen good results with copper bullets. if you want to track a wounded animal off into a canyon, then they are what you want. they would be ok on big bears and dangerous african animals, but they zip through too quick to shock an animal the way a well made jacketed bullet will. and i refuse to believe that the copper bullet deal in the grand canyon area is anything other than a ploy. Lark.

ok, one more time, if you voted for obama, slug yourself in the mouth every morning. Lark.

badgers? we don't need no stinkin badgers!! sorry, i couldn't help myself. nice buncha vermin furs. Lark.

just remember that on the school bus of life, coues deer ride the short one. Lark.

go there and figger it out. maps don't have any animals on em. nothing makes up for first hand experience. Lark.

i'm the worlds foremost living authority on the .270. i shoot 140 gr hornady interlocks. i've tried about everything there is and the el cheapo interlocks are as good as you can get. to me they perform better on big game than any of the bonded bullets. i wouldn't waste my time with any solid copper bullet. unless you're a condor lover. Lark.

me and my middle boy got rifle bull elk tags last year and again this year. and my youngest son got an archery bull elk tag also this year. so for now, i'm happy with the draw. except for pronghorn and sheep. 30+ for sheep, never a tag. and 15 since my one and only Az. goat tag. so in retrospect, maybe things need fixed. Lark.

what we're seeing is a symptom of the really sorry people who represent us politically. napalitano and the dummy state senators and representatives we have, have left this state in extremely poor financial condition. poor, or even lack of, planning has left every state agency broke. spending billions on wastefull projects just because the money was there, not looking at the financial earthquake that was coming with these stupid mortgages that were so popular, a whole host of things that intelligent people could see coming, have left the state devastated for money. so what is the plan? tickets. plain and simple. people who are too stupid to have real jobs get elected to these "burrocrat" jobs, that have no clue how to plan or have any intelligence or foresight let things turn to $h!t and then say well, lets give out tickets. tickets, tickets, tickets. photo radar, photo red light, speed traps, the new off road "fees" (as in tax), they are all just revenue builders and have nothing to do with public safety or environmental safety or any kind of safety. they are to make revenue. yesterday i was listening to the news on the way home and a judge in a suprise court was complaining about the photo radar tickets clogging his court. that particular court is set up to handle 10,000 tickets a year. they are getting 10,000 a month. just one court. 10,000 tickets a month. 120,000 a year. just one court. how many of them are given out in a year statewide? looks like millions to me. the fact that no points are associated with most of them say real loud that is just to raise revenue. out where i live i haven't seen a MCSO cop stop a car for speeding for a couple years. they dealt with crime. now there is a speed trap where the speed limit drops to 35 for no reason and i see the cop giving 3 or 4 tickets a day. that's just what i see in the few minutes i travel that road or am out working in the yard. awhile back the mesa city council was meeting and discussing their revenue shortfall and what to do about it. their answer? more red light cameras. why didn't somebody tell em to quit trying to evict poor sob's from their brake shop and losing millions in the process? oh well, they elected em. stopping speeders and red light runners or folks tearing puttin' around on a quad used to have some public safety intentions involved in it. now it is just $$$$$$$$. it has absolutely nothing to do with public safety or slowing crime. just money. because we let stupid people "lead" us. there is no good reason for Az. to be in the financial shape it is in other than really poor work by elected people. when things are good, everyone looks good. when things are bad, the ones that ain't good, really look bad and they burn the rest of us down in the process. you want good times, elect good people. Lark.

ever time i shoot somebody i always claim it was an accident or he was stealin' my chickens. Lark.

once again, ir you voted for obama, slug yourself in the mouth every morning. if you can't make yourself do it, get somebody else to do it for you. don't ask a friend, because they probably voted for him too. but you could slug each other everyday. and if you think this is bad, wait until you see what kinda anti gun, treehuggin', commie, socialist, legislate from the bench, give your money away to people who won't work kinda supreme court justice he appoints. probably be ayres. Lark.

did dick cheney take up turkeys? Lark.

the 4831 will work fine. i have a hard time getting as much velocity with as i can with 4350, but the 4831 is ok. especially the sc. it's a lot finer and easier to reload. i use h4350 anymore instead of imr. Lark.

yup. Lark.

i'm serious. can you imagine the kinda gals they'd get at a miss NRA contest? put these other stupid airhead contests to shame. rule #1 is they hafta be smart. i bet in a year or 2 it would be an even bigger event. miss America is even on cable now because nobody watches it. the NRA oughta listen to me. you all know how smart i am. once at a gunshow they had a tv with a video of chicks in bikinis shootin' machine guns. they had videos for sale of the same chicks shootin' the same machine guns, only they were nekked. i don't think nekked maching gun shootin' would be a good event, but the bikini one might be. man, my mind is racin'. i too many good ideas. Lark.

there is a gunshow this weekend at the state fair grounds. they will have it there. Lark.

that's what you call a redtick hound. a breed that was developed here in Az. by the Lee boys, Clel and Dale. it's now a recognized breed too. and to gamehauler's question, good hounds will stay bayed until they starve. if the lion jumps, they'll tree it again. i've had em tree and get dark before i could get there safely and have to wait until the next morning quite a few times. good hounds are truly a wonderfull animal. but good hounds come from dedicated hunters more than from good breeding. Lark.

sounds like the miss usa pagaent has run it's course. now it's a political statement. maybe they oughta have a miss NRA contest. there'd be better lookin' women and they would dang sure be smarter. and marksmanship in a bikini could be one o' the categories. Lark.

this is good news. now we'll see what kinda other crap they try. a guy sent me an email today that said they were gonna try to call reloaders unlicensed ammunition manufacturers and pull something there. it's on boys. we gotta hang in for 4 years and vote this moron out. Lark.

i've been scratchin' my head wondering what kinda dirty tricks the obamanation was gonna pull to keep us from shooting. he's said all along we can have guns, but it's been pretty apparant he's gonna make it painfull to shoot em. i still look for some kinda hazardous waste legislation to stop us from using bullets, primers and powder. then i got this today. what a deal. they are gonna actually lose money to sell brass to the commies. sorta like how we sold the old "el" railroad to japan before WWII so they could melt it down to make ships to and guns to wage war against us. this is a sad deal. again, anyone who voted for obama, slug yourself in the mouth, every morning. the game is on. Lark. Georgia Arms is the 5th largest retailer of .223 Ammo in America . (they sell 9 mm, .45, etc ammo) They normally buy spent brass from the US Dept of Defense - 'one time used' shell casings by our Military - from training on Military bases, etc. They buy the brass and then re-load for resale to Law Enforcement, Gun Shops, Gun Clubs, Wal-Mart, and etc. They normally buy 30,000 lbs of spent brass at a time. This week the DoD wrote a letter to the owner of Georgia Arms and said that from now on the DoD will be destroying the brass - shredding it It is no longer available to the Ammo makers - unless they just buy it in a scrap shredded condition (which they have No use for). The shredded brass is NOW going to be sold by the DoD to China as scrap metal....after the DoD pays for it to be shredded. The DoD is selling the brass to China for less money than Ammo manufacturers have been paying...plus the DoD has to pay to have the brass shredded and do all the accounting paperwork. That sure helps the US economy now, doesn't it? Sell cheaper to China - and do not sell shells at all to a proven US business. Any agenda working here???? Obama going after our ammunition!!!!! The Georgia Arms owner even related a story that one of his competitors had already purchased a load of brass last week - and the DoD contacted him this week and said they were sending someone over to make sure it was destroyed.. Shell Casings he had already bought! THE BRASS HAS NO VALUE TO THE AMMO MAKER IF IT IS DESTROYED/SHREDDED/MELTED. THE AMMO MANUFACTURER ONLY USES THE EMPTY BRASS SHELLS TO RELOAD DIFFERENT CALIBERS - MAINLY .223 BULLETS. Georgia Arms owner says that he will have to lay off at least Half of his 60 workers, within 2 - 3 months if the DoD no longer sells their spent brass to him. He has 2 - 3 months inventory of shells to use. By summer - he's out. If he has to buy new manufactured brass shells, then the cost of ammunitioin to the buyer will double and triple...plus Obama wants to add a 500% tax on each shell. You can read the info and see the DoD letter to Georgia Arms here: The Shootist Site http://www.theshootist.net/ <http://www.theshootist.net/> Georgia Arms Site: http://georgia-arms.com/ <http://georgia-arms.com/> Loss of US jobs, control of ammunition by the new Obama adminis tration....liberalism at its best and on the way to socialism. When times get bad...and they will very soon...only the bad will have guns and ammo. This new "Obomanation" is going to make good citizens into crinimals by trying to take our guns and ammo.

good. where is that info? Lark.

well, guess what? everyone i associate with are all right wing extremists who are on an official gov't watch list. (i started to say everyone on this sight, but some guys voted for obama) and it's that goofy lookin' guy that was our governor a few weeks ago that writ it. if you even have an nra bumper sticker or anti abortion bumper sticker or christian bumper sticker, you're on the list. if you are anti illegal immigration, you're on the list. if you are a vet home from the war, you're on the list. (wondered how they were gonna vilify the vets, this is it. i knew they would do somethin', cuz vets are bad. according to the new obama dc) heck, if your kid is a boy scout, you're probly on it. read this whole thing. make sure and click on the link to the missouri highway patrol study, that was funded by janet and her buddies. basically, if you're a recently returned vet, someone who believes in the constitution, believes babies have rights, belong to the NRA, believe that laws should be enforced, all of em, don't think illegals should get a free pass, go to whatever church you want or have an opinion contrary to hussein obama, you're someone they need to watch. big brother janet is like the big eye in mordor i guess. spooky. this is gonna be even worse than i ever imagined. and i am one smart dude. dang, maybe texas is right, time to secede. Lark. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94803

dangit bill, i didn't tell him to saw it up. i've only seen a couple trapdoors that had enough finish on em to even count anyway. i was refering to inside of the barrel and the action. guns are easy to clean. i always hear about patina and from what i see it's what most folks call rust. the guys sellin' the guns call it patina. i'll think about the deal on the trapdoor. when i was a kid they were in about ever gun store i went in for maybe $50 or $75. same with model 1886's and 1895's, 1892's. the only ones that had any value were 94's. and then not a lot. you could buy a new one for $100. or less. i bought a few guns like that when i had enough cash and i could sneak it in without the ol' man knowin', but not near enough. i could retire rich today if i bought everyone i wanted. once i was in kelly's on mainstreet in safford and was closin' the deal on an '86, .45/70, for $50, and who walked in but my ol' man. didn't get that one. "those things are worthless!" (and they were at the time) but i know it'd bring a couple grand today. i wish i had every old gun i saw for sale when i was a kid. my first rifle was a 1894 .30 wcf, made in the '20's. hardly any blue. been shot a million times. paid 42 bucks for it and 11 shells at talley and son's in safford. had to dicker with ol' Irvin myself. he probly woulda just gave it to me if i'da hounddog eyed him a little. what a great ol' guy. shot my first buck and javelina with it. still pack it horseback a bunch. they don't make them old guns anymore. too bad too, because they are really good rifles. Lark.