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thanks. i couldn't find the new one. i have a spring tag. hafta get out some buckshot. that's what i use. i useta love my .22 mag for turkeys. it was easy to teach them stubborn sobs that wouldn't come in a lesson. Lark.

oh well, at least he didn't vote for obama. Lark.

i sent mr napalitano an email and asked to be #1 on the list, seein' as how i meet the requirements. i also thanked her for leaving Az. not for leaving in the crap pile she did, just for leaving. Lark.

red rabbit, the 2007-2008 regs say any firearm or bow and arrow for fall turkey. says nothing about shotguns and shot, like the spring regs. am i wrong? Lark.

well good. i think Jack will be a good addition to a pretty weak bunch. he was a sort of a game warden for a long time, helped out during elk season and such, and he knows how the system works. and he likes to hunt. he's a politician no doubt, but he's also fairly level headed and i think he'll be a lot better than a lotta guys. and dang sure better than about anyone on the commission now. been a long time since they added anyone to this bunch that i could really feel ok about supporting. hope he'll hold their feet to the fire and just not be an automatic yea vote. Lark. http://www.wmicentral.com/site/news.cfm?ne...05965&rfi=6

do it yourself. the trapdoor is a real simple action. take it apart, scrub the heck out of it, oil it and put it back together. i assume it's a .45/70? great guns and quite valuable. i'd love to have one. Lark.

the problem is the wagons are circled and folks are just trying to hang to what little they have left. it's time to hit hard in all directions at once and take this country back from foreignors and crappy politicians. Lark.

one bit me once. broke his teeth off on my rockhard forearm and then died bleedin' to death after lickin' his butt so much to get the taste outta his mouth. i read the cat in the story was rabid. from my experience, a bobcat is more willing to fight than any other animal i've encountered. bears and lions included. man, i have some great bobcat stories. Lark.

c'mon guys, don't throw BS out there about the laws. be sure of what you're saying. someone may take it as true and get theirself in trouble. a 22 mag (WMRF= Winchester Magnum Rim Fire) is a rimfire. it is "NOT" a centerfire. up through last year, it is legal for javelina and fall turkey only, as far as big game. spring turkeys have to be shot with shotguns using shot only, now. "NO" rifles or shotguns with slugs are allowed. been that way for awhile. Lark.

i mistook bullwidgeon for a javelina once, but i've never thought anyone looked like a turkey. we're gettin' it from all sides. what paper was this in? the worst thing about this is that now these kinda folks are gonna have an even bigger voice and the kinda crap they spew is gonna be taken as intelligent and main stream. libs can make up whatever kinda stats ya want and blast em out there, the media will print it like it's gospel. but try to make a conservative point and it's deemed blasphemy. Lark.

what obama and his lackies are doing is creating a crisis. they've already done away with "terrorism". they won't even use the word. changed it to some other term that's more politically correct. unless it has to do with American citizens, especially if you're a returning vet. then you're a potential domestic terrorist. they need a smoke screen to cover up other plans, like making every criminal illegal alien a citizen, negotiating with iran, taking over private business, making criminals out of law abiding citizens who have a different opinion, just by issuing a memo, etc. this is just the start. with this memo they've given the greenlight to any police force that wants to use it. i've been buying reloading supplies and ammo like crazy. imagine what they headline would be if they invaded my home? or yours. you can expect this to get hotter and hotter, weekly. i see nappy has already decided he doesn't want anything to do with border control and has appointed a "border czar" so he can do things like keep tabs on anyone who likes to be free. all you obama voters need to slug yourself right in the mouth, every morning. Lark.

ya hafta remember that if you're straight, male, conservative, christian, law abiding oh yeah, and white, or any of the things on the list, you can't be discriminated against. anything is fair. if you are the opposite of these things then everything is off limits and could be seen as insulting. geet used to it. this is the change that hussein's guys voted in. the stuff about putting vets on the watch list just really grates my guts. there is no common sense left. it ain't gonna be long until they start kickin' doors. Lark.

i've put down a few bulls with a muzzleloader. i always prefered hornady tpx HP high velocity pistol bullets. .44 cal in a .50 and .45 cal in a .54. even at a couple hundred yards the bullet usually would be under the skin on the offside. with these new inlines that are specifically designed for sabots and have quick barrel twists, 200 yards should be a real reasonable distance. 250 even. put all the powder in it the gun and you can handle. these new pellets are slick. shoot it a bunch at 25 yard increments to see where it hits, note it and use a range finder. they make a lot of bullets specifically for muzzleloaders now. i don't know how the barnes and other solid copper bullets perform in one, but i know i don't like em in a rifle. but they should be ok. there is very little knockdown with a muzzleloader. i know that sounds wierd, but most every bull i've seen shot with one, never even acted hit at first. they run off and bleed to death. about like shooting one with a bow, as far as the reaction of the animal. this is with lungshots anyway. get comfortable with your gun, know it well and shoot whatever range you think is ok. good luck. Lark.

glad to hear that Steve is doing well. there have been a few men that really made a good impression on me when i was a kid, and he is one of em. i've always looked up to him. wirey ol' thing anyway. just so folks know, singleshot's dad is a retired professor and is a about as sharp about the outdoors as anyone i've ever known. i still use things he taught me about the indigeous species of the southwest on almost a daily basis. sharp guy and a true teacher. he's also a past president of the Arizona wildlife federation. and he is one helluva stock maker. no duplicating machines, just hand tools. he makes some of the most beautiful gun wood you've ever seen. one more thing on the .270. all of mine are real particular to cartridge overall length. don't make the bullet jump too far before it hooks up with the lands. you can really shrink your groups by tinkering with the amount of bullet "poke out". Lark.

sounds like a heck of a rifle. 54's are neat guns. sounds like you have a real special one. only thing i ever heard bad about em was the older ones had a 2 piece firing pin and it broke sometimes. the model is 70 is just an improved 54. 150's are ok, i know a couple guys who are serious deadly marksmen that use nothing but 150's. they actually will carry a little better at long ranges beause of the BC. i've never heard of a .270 with anything other than a 1 in 10" twist, so it should shoot them fine. i guess you know you can neck an '06 down to .270 real easy? i have a buncha that stuff i've made over the years. i've shot these 140's for long that i don't see any reason to change. how is that ol' man o' yours? tell him howdy for me. Lark.

in my favorite .270 i shoot 140 grain hornady interlock boat tail soft points with h4350 powder. i won't say how much because it is an overload and will jam any rifle with a short throat. probably blow out the primers too. but in my old long throated model 70 it works well. in my first back up .270, also a pre 64 model 70, i shoot 130 grain hornady interbonds with the same load of powder. i never liked 150 gr bullets very well because they are sorta slow, and i like hotrods. the partitions will work well, you just can't shoot em real fast. h4350 and h4831sc are both good powders in a .270. there are probably some that are even better now, but i settled on my load years ago and have never changed. i use magnum rifle primers. i even have one bullet seating die that never gets changed and is just for my 140 gr load. i've never had an interlock come apart and seldom do they shoot through an animal, leaving all the shock inside. usually find the bullet in a big flat wad under the skin on the offside. the interbonds tend to shoot through most deer. i have several other .270's that i shoot whatever 130 gr factory loads are the cheapest. winchester silvertips or remington core-lokts usually. Lark.

sounds like a cool gun, no matter what the story behind it is. back in the 60's PD built a new mercantile store in morenci and moved the stock from the old store in clifton to it. when they were moving things they found multiple cases of .30/30's, both winchesters and marlins, that they had bought in anticipation of a villa attack. pancho never made it there and they never distributed the rifles and they were forgotten about. they were new, still wrapped in grease paper. they put them on the rack and sold them first come first served for the price they were originally listed at. seems like $24. they didn't last long. i've seen several of them from that stash over the years. the marlins were incredible. octagonal barrels and case hardened actions. the wincesters i saw were octagonal barrels also, but the case hardening of the marlins was simply beautiful. this bunch of rifles you are talking about may be part of or kin to the same deal. i don't know all the details about the PD guns, but i know it had something to do with villa and his band of border trash. Lark.

i used the same one last year and nobody bought it either. Lark.

well, after about 50 years of shovelin', swingin' a sledge, maul and ax. ropin'. bow shootin'. throwin' curveballs. crawlin' in boilers and various other crappy places. i finally have to have a joint replaced. monday at 6 am. total joint replacement, right shoulder. titanium ball on the arm bone (it'll make ya flinch when the dr says he's gonna saw yer ball off!) teflon socket on the shoulder blade. they even hafta do some work on my collar bone. i ain't lookin' foward to it but i'm sick of not bein' able to do anything and sick o' the pain. see ya in a few weeks. Lark.

back to work today. still in a sling and will be for sometime. things went fine. not too much pain either. bored as heck from 2 weeks of tv. still have a lotta rehab to go, but the joint itsself already feels better. i can' believe all the hardware that went into it. had a big bone spur that cut about 35% of my biceps. (that's about 100% on most o' you weenie armed guys) they drilled a buncha holes in the bone and pulled the muscle back to where it's supposed to be. put a titanium ball on my arm bone and teflon socket on the shoulder blade. probly hafta shoot lefty for turkeys. oh well. oh yeah, i got another bull elk tag too. 2 in a row. gonna be a good year. Lark.

is now a bad time for me to post the 1-800 number that made so many folks mad last time? Lark.

anybody that watches that show is a wierdo anyway. she can wither away like the dixie chicks. Lark.

that is what free market capitalism is all about. the guy who runs things makes the rules. if the gov't puts limits on what a guy can make, then it is socialism. that's why we just have a minimum wage, no maximum. do you want someone to put a cap on what you can sell your house for? or your truck or a gun? businesses have to be able to operate how they want. supply and demand has to be ther driver of cost. there are so many rules and laws governing business and how it operates that it adds a gigantic amount to final cost of a product. a lot of the rules and laws are needed because of folks like carnegie, rockerfeller, mellon, ford and buncha other bastard barons that literally killed people to make em keep working in horrible conditions and had no regard to the environmental damage that was done either. but most of the laws and rules dumped on business are just to get more taxes. TR stepped in and busted the trusts and monopolies, allowed the unions to get a foothold without having to worry about being killed, got some collective bargaining going and allowed other people to get in on things to bust up the monopolies. we've gone from there to where we are now. some of the $$$$$$$$ these guys make seem obscene, they surely do, but if you have caps on what a guy can make, that kills capitalism. i hafta agree with slashing bonus's on these guys that are holding their hands out for welfare/stimulus money. that is total bs. they need to go a step farther and say "NO" bonus, period. for guys like that. but a solvent company that is paying millions and billions in taxes is what keeps this country going. some tax is fair and needed. everyone needs to pay taxes for what we have in order to keep it. but just saying tax the rich guys isn't a good thing. they'll just fold up their money and keep it in their pocket and say to heck with the little guys, if gov't gets to greedy. it's happened before. that's what happened when carter was president. our society takes everyone to make it work. big business and the unions have to have realistic expectation of each other and live up the their agreements. and they have to be able to change when things need be. small business has to be able to borrow money as they need it. they all have to work together in order for things to flow. when the gov't gets involved is when things turn to $h!t. Lark.

explain again why it's better that chinese and mexican labor is paid next to nothing? there ain't a laborer in either of those countries that wouldn't trade places with a laborer here. do you folks understand how much rich folks contribute to this country? not politicians and celebrities either. i mean the guys that get blasted all the time for being really wealthy. lets take bill gates, because he is easy and everyone knows who he is. how many folks work for him? say 100,000, i have no idea, but we'll use that number. what is the tax bill every year for those 100,000 folks? answer= a bunch. ok, now how many folks work for companies that supply gates? material, electricity, construction of facilities, transportation, etc., etc. answer= a bunch. what's there tax bill every year? answer= a bunch. now take gates out of the equation. ain't a purty picture is it? it's easy to hate rich people. heck, i don't much like any of em personally. but they ain't the bad guys. the bad guys are the ones on the other end of the equation that don't contribute anything and are only a drain on the ones that do and of course the politicians that keep forkin' over my hard earned cash to em. the American economy is based on work and what the value of the work you do is to someone else. i con't care if some fat cat gets a multi million dollar bonus every year, as long as his company stays in business and keeps contributing. the reason countries like russia and china and even mexico don't do well is because it doesn't do you any good to work hard, because you don't get anything more for it than someone who doesn't. unless you're a poltician or a celebritiy or some king of industry that is able to keep folks poor and basically slaves because they don't have the laws we do. socialism sucks and ultra liberal people are socialists. Lark.

welcome to the club TAM. Lark.