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is now a bad time for me to post the 1-800 number that made so many folks mad last time? Lark.

anybody that watches that show is a wierdo anyway. she can wither away like the dixie chicks. Lark.

that is what free market capitalism is all about. the guy who runs things makes the rules. if the gov't puts limits on what a guy can make, then it is socialism. that's why we just have a minimum wage, no maximum. do you want someone to put a cap on what you can sell your house for? or your truck or a gun? businesses have to be able to operate how they want. supply and demand has to be ther driver of cost. there are so many rules and laws governing business and how it operates that it adds a gigantic amount to final cost of a product. a lot of the rules and laws are needed because of folks like carnegie, rockerfeller, mellon, ford and buncha other bastard barons that literally killed people to make em keep working in horrible conditions and had no regard to the environmental damage that was done either. but most of the laws and rules dumped on business are just to get more taxes. TR stepped in and busted the trusts and monopolies, allowed the unions to get a foothold without having to worry about being killed, got some collective bargaining going and allowed other people to get in on things to bust up the monopolies. we've gone from there to where we are now. some of the $$$$$$$$ these guys make seem obscene, they surely do, but if you have caps on what a guy can make, that kills capitalism. i hafta agree with slashing bonus's on these guys that are holding their hands out for welfare/stimulus money. that is total bs. they need to go a step farther and say "NO" bonus, period. for guys like that. but a solvent company that is paying millions and billions in taxes is what keeps this country going. some tax is fair and needed. everyone needs to pay taxes for what we have in order to keep it. but just saying tax the rich guys isn't a good thing. they'll just fold up their money and keep it in their pocket and say to heck with the little guys, if gov't gets to greedy. it's happened before. that's what happened when carter was president. our society takes everyone to make it work. big business and the unions have to have realistic expectation of each other and live up the their agreements. and they have to be able to change when things need be. small business has to be able to borrow money as they need it. they all have to work together in order for things to flow. when the gov't gets involved is when things turn to $h!t. Lark.

explain again why it's better that chinese and mexican labor is paid next to nothing? there ain't a laborer in either of those countries that wouldn't trade places with a laborer here. do you folks understand how much rich folks contribute to this country? not politicians and celebrities either. i mean the guys that get blasted all the time for being really wealthy. lets take bill gates, because he is easy and everyone knows who he is. how many folks work for him? say 100,000, i have no idea, but we'll use that number. what is the tax bill every year for those 100,000 folks? answer= a bunch. ok, now how many folks work for companies that supply gates? material, electricity, construction of facilities, transportation, etc., etc. answer= a bunch. what's there tax bill every year? answer= a bunch. now take gates out of the equation. ain't a purty picture is it? it's easy to hate rich people. heck, i don't much like any of em personally. but they ain't the bad guys. the bad guys are the ones on the other end of the equation that don't contribute anything and are only a drain on the ones that do and of course the politicians that keep forkin' over my hard earned cash to em. the American economy is based on work and what the value of the work you do is to someone else. i con't care if some fat cat gets a multi million dollar bonus every year, as long as his company stays in business and keeps contributing. the reason countries like russia and china and even mexico don't do well is because it doesn't do you any good to work hard, because you don't get anything more for it than someone who doesn't. unless you're a poltician or a celebritiy or some king of industry that is able to keep folks poor and basically slaves because they don't have the laws we do. socialism sucks and ultra liberal people are socialists. Lark.

welcome to the club TAM. Lark.

so i guess the stuff i read was wrong. even tho it was writ by some scientist. what the heck do they know? and even tho the guy who did the autopsy on macho said the drugs and stress probably really hurt him, who the heck is he to have an opinion like that? i mean he's just an expert and all. and what sam did does apply and his work is used daily around the world. i don't see how you can trivialize decades of work like that? oh wait, i guess he didn't know what he was doin' either. we can argue lifespan till the hogs come home. if they'da left him alone he'd still be alive. heck, next time anyone sees an old buck or bull they best shoot it because he's close to whatever somebody says his life span is and we don't want any old critters in the way. my only concern is that the usfw will turn the jag into another fiasco like the mexican wolf. you coues hunters had best be aware of it, because guess where the handfull that are left live? right smack in the middle of the sky islands that support the coues. and if they come up with some sorta program, it ain't gonna be friendly to anyone who hunts or lives in those areas. sorta sad too, because like i've always maintained, jaguars are one cool critter. too bad this country isn't more condusive to them so we had a bunch of em. there are definitely fewer of them now than there were, but they require truly wild country, and there ain't any that left here. too many highways and towns. they can set aside some place for em, but i kinda doubt they stay there. RIP Macho. Lark.

this is just plum stupid. i'm not a big fan of the proposed jaguar recovery effort, mainly because there have never been very many here anyway and Az. ain't wild enough for them to ever establish a real population of em anymore. simply too much development and too much private land in southeast Az. for it to happen. don't get me wrong, they are one cool animal. but i really don't believe there have ever been more than transients in Az. they're a tropical animal that thrive in the jungle and wet country, like belize and honduras and the country where central and south America come together. if there were very many of em, my grandad and his brother would have caught more than they did too. i read the other day that they knew of 6 of em in Az. in the past 30 years or so. i would have figured there were more than that, but that's the numbers they used. anyway, i can see it as just a way for huggers to control more and cause even more people hardship. but then again, maybe it will help with controlling the illegal alien problem in the area that the jags seem to like. who knows? but for the guys who are supposedly so concerned with the jags to contribute directly to killing one of em, well, it just seems stupid and very irresponsible. i can't think of a more stressfull situation to put an animal in, especially a big mean animal like a jag, than a snare. how long was this ol' guy in it before he was drugged and collared? just seems like a real sad ending to a pretty neat animal. so now i guess we're down to 5 jags. i hope like heck they don't cure the rest of em to death. Lark. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/200...jaguar0304.html

good news. when is the season? wonder if guy has to get drawn? Lark.

i'd still bet this ol' predator would still be kickin' if they woulda left him alone. i read a deal last week that said their life expectancy was 22 years. do any of you have any experience with snares? just as well use a jaw trap. they are a mean tool. i have a friend who was a canadien game warden/wildlife biologist for years. decades. he retired about 10 years ago or longer. he spend years snaring, netting, tranquilizing and tagging all kindsa animals. most of it on bears. what he called tundra grizzlies and polar bears. spent years thousands of miles from anywhere doing his work. great stories. he said they inadvertantly killed a lotta grizzlies with the drugs they knocked em out with, because they faught it so hard. said the polar bears just laid down and went to sleep. whatever, i just kinda wonder about some of the tactics folks use when they are trying to "save" something. in my opinion, they didn't do this old beast any favors. years ago this whole country was a few towns surrounded by wilderness. now it's a few places that you can still call wilderness surrounded by civilization. there ain't much they can do to "save" jaguars other than screw with folks. the country ain't wild enough anymore. they should invest their efforts into helping them out where they thrive instead of making a mess out of places that have never had very many. might be hard way to look at it, but i don't see any kinda jaguar sanctuary in the U.S. that will be anymore than a hardship for folks that live around it. they are neat animal. if you ever get a chance read dale lee's book, i think it's called "the life of the greatest guide" or read hunter well's book "they call me hunter". you will get spooked just reading about jags. absolutely the meanest critter this country has ever seen. the lees lived in Az. when it was still wild and they loaded up and headed to belize and honduras to hunt jags, because there weren't enough of em even in mexico that they could have any degree of sucess that they could count on. this was over 50 years ago. if there ever was a day of the jag, it's gone. i don't think there were ever more than just a few transients this far north anyway. dang sure never any kinda numbers like lions have. Lark.

actually, bullet tumble is usually caused by a twist rate that is too slow. in a given caliber, a longer, heavier bullets requires a faster twist than a shorter, lighter bullet. some calibers aren't twist sensitive at all, like the .277 and .338 diameter. one twist rate is usually good for all bullets. other calibers, the .308 and .257 diameters always jump up here, are real twist sensitive and may require nearly twice as much twist to stabilize heavier bullets in the same caliber as required for lighter bullets. if you want to shoot a 220 grain .308 bullet you need a 1 in 8 twist. a 125 or 110 will probably need like a 1 in 15. bullet length compared to the diameter actually has more to do with it than weight. Lark.

restrictions on travel will hurt worse than any other freedom loss. even firearms. if you can't travel, what can you do? hang on, it's comin'. the green agenda will cripple us. Lark.

get ready folks, it's on the way. this is from the same guy that said we're all cowards. and, once again, i didn't vote for the sob. Lark. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

tam, that will be next. the obamanation will get into limiting driving soon enough. nothing gives the American public more freedom than the internal combustion engine, and there is nothing the obamanation wants to do more than restrict freedom. through "carbon" footprint bs, taxes, "green" cars, etc., they'll restrict the heck outta being able to drive somewhere. the problem lies with the fact that there are so many people, a number rapidly approaching a majority, who just sit around and are happy as long as they have a tv and food and a couple 40's a day. they don't care what anyone else does or how anyone else's freedom, liberty and way of life is impacted. and the obamanation is happy to supply them with what little they need because they can carry a vote. i wanna slug every idiot i know that voted us into this mess. it's gonna get ugly. Lark.

i guess rembrant didn't get my satire. i was tryin' to use hugger reasoning for not shootin' ever one o' them stinkin' feral horses. c'mon dude, it was a joke. sorta. they did, according to scientists, start out here. but i heard that 90% of scientists agree with al gore too. Lark.

actually, scientists say horses and asses originated in south America. started out there, migrated north and into europe and asia where they proliferated and were domesticated and then died out here. probly global warming or some deal. then the spaniards brung em back over here to rape and pillage the land and it's indigenous people easier and the rest is history. now we have wild horses and asses here again, just like they used to be. sorta like the mexican wolf is now. really, they did originate here. but i feel they should be removed from the land completely. they are a real hardship in places that really shouldn't be subjected to any more stress than nature does anyway. i'm a big fan o' equines, but not the wild ones in the Americas.

this is a link to Az. senate bill 1115. you guys best read it and voice your opinion on it. http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?in...lls/sb1115p.htm scroll down toward the bottom. this is the anti chicken and dog fighting bill. this is to ammend the bill and strike the word "dog" and insert the word "animal". it will make sport hunting with hounds illegal in Arizona. there is a provision for "animals trained to protect livestock from predation and that enegage in actions to protect livestock", but not for sport hunters. it would also outlaw falconry and from what i see bird dogs. if a bird dog has to chase down a wounded animal, he has to fight it. looks like cow dogs would also not be able to be used, because they dang sure fight with cattle. pretty slick way to slip up and stop a lotta folks from doing what they like to do. this is how the adversary works. sneaky. one little freedom at a time. we're always yellin' at each other about little things we don't like about things that other sportsmen do and all the time we're gettin' snuck up on by these sob's. don't care where you stand on hounds, or bird dogs or cow dogs or whatever, if you like to hunt you best be against this. if you ain't against it, then you are against hunting. there is no gray area. Lark.

judd gregg decided he couldn't take the smell anymore and withdrew as obamanation's nominee for commerce secretary. he was the only republican obama nominated. i was real surprised when he accepted it in the first place and when they took away the census as one of his duties i kinda figgerd that it might be more than he would deal with. they wanted a talking head that would be a puppet. too bad, he was the only bright spot in that mess. Lark.

read the post called sb1115 on the hunting in Az. thread. it's importance is paramount. Lark.

a guy sent me an article awhile back that said that the biggest threat to America is no longer muslim terrorists or communists like russia and venezuela. said that now it is isreal. because obama was going to abandon them and leave them to themselves. isreal has the campability to hit anywhere in the U.S. with a nuke, anytime. and the guy that wrote it said he felt it was a real threat. they've sat around with their hands in their pockets for decades because we were on their side. if we ain't on their side, then we're against em. interesting read. Lark.

the sponsors are a democrat name nancy young johnson and a republican named johnathon paton. EVERYBODY should make dang sure to write em goth a letter. you can click on their names and email em. this is real serious fellers. and this is something sponsored in this state. not dc. something that we do have some control over. doesn't matter how you feel about dogs, it's about freedom. we have to stand together. Lark.

when they heck did they come up with an "off season". where do you get the applications? be nice to have leisure time. i need about a 6 week nap. Lark.

i was never in the navy. and from now on anytime somebody has a story with me in it i have to approve it first. goooooooood niiiiiiiiiiiiiiight casey. Lark.

one thing this guy has going against him is that he has already been sued and lost to some legal deer hunters that he ascosted on his place. they were legal in the fact that they are Americans and were hunting deer and were not illegal aliens. not for sure if they were on his private property. i would almost assume they weren't, of there wouldn't have been much of a case. but he did hold them agains their will and he lost the suit and it they were awarded a fair amount of $'s in the deal. anyway, that ain't gonna help him in any in this deal. i hope he wins this one for sure, but the other one ain't gonna help. i think he has appealed it and maybe can win in the appeals court. i think he is also a retired deputy sherrif. Lark.

well, bush's tax cuts literally saved me thousands and thousands of dollars over the past 8 years. i mean a bunch. obama's are gonna save us an average of $13 a week this year and $8 next year. if you qualify. and if you didn't pay any taxes, you get $400 bucks from the gov't for not making enough to qualify for the $13 a week. let me see, 13X52 weeks=$676. on average. guess i'll save it up and buy me a new gun. probly won't be able to shoot it by then because of some new law, but at least i'll have it. 'course that probly won't pay the taxes on one by then, too. but they got $30 million for some mouse in 'frisco. wonder if they are bein' endangered like gerbils? somebody tell me again, how am i doin' better than i was a couple weeks ago?............ Lark.

ok, what the heck is boca soy? is silent but deadly a vegitarian? you know what vegitarian means in redneck? crappy hunter. Lark.