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manamal, do you think there's that many deer get shot illegally? seems high, but who knows i guess. you guys are right about azgfd treating poachers lightly. when they do catch someone, it's almost always because a citizen saw it. then they'll usually plea it down to something light. heck, throw the book at em. even if it ain't a deterent, at least make the guy pay a bunch. seems every state and the feds really get serious when they do catch someone and then they all plea down to not much of a fine or penalty. i guess the guys that get caught have to suffer some humiliation and embarassment, but the "serial poachers" don't really care. they'll always argue that they were framed and just keep on doing what they've been doing. had a warden tell me once that some guys get to be like ted bundy. live for poaching. it's a real sickness. said they've had the fbi guys at quantico do that silence of the lambs personallity profile stuff on some different guys and he said that they've been told that the public is lucky these guys got started on animals and not people, because there were real sick individuals. Lark.

i hope he's happy. i still ain't got that hunka cheese outta my nose. Lark.

i hope he's happy. i still ain't got that hunka cheese outta my nose. Lark.

talk about a cold blooded hunter. recurve would turn in his own mom!?! now that's rough. i once new a highway patrolman that gave his own mom a ticket. it is an interesting concept tho. might cost a few grand for the fines she'd get. but if ya look at what a governors tag goes for, you're still way ahead. but man, recurve, for a guy to even think that one up shows some real deviousness. cool. Lark.

now that i finally got the salami and cheese outta my nose, i can type something. man, that was rough. ok, now somebody really bought an auction javelina tag? i try to go pig huntin' every year, but seldom shoot one. just fun to get out that time o' year. can't imagine anyone bidding on a pig tag. what did it go for, a buck and a half? as far as someone shooting a 116 on a high dollar tag, there are always bigger animals taken every year by joe hunter with a permit they drew through the lottery and hunting unguided on wide open public land, than by the guys with big bucks, high dollar tags and famous guides. sorta shows ya who the hunters are. when a guy waits for years to get a quality permit, he tends to spend a lot of time gettin' real intimate with the wildlife in his unit and that is who the really big ones fall to. not some millionaire who sits in his office waiting for the phone to ring because he has a buncha guides out scouting for him and one of em saw a big one. i have no problem with these rich guys donating money to the cause. but i do sorta have a problem with em calling themselves hunters. sorta. i've never been so busy that i couldn't take the time myself to do the footwork. these big time ceo's don't have much time. if i had the bucks, i'd dang sure bid on those permits. but i wouldn't need a buncha guys beatin' the brush for me. if the 116 buck is for real, i'd imagine some guy flew to where it was, shot it and went home. seems to be the modus for most of these gov. tags. i mean good on him and all that. great buck. but it don't surprise me if it was "only" 116. Lark.

dan h. you are plum rotten. not because o' this list, it's great. but because i've been doin' this low carb deal tryin' to shed enough weight that my horse will pack me again and now i gotta big hunka hebrew national salami and piece o' eddie basha's pepper jack cheese i was snackin' on lodged somewhere in my nasal cavity. that is funny, Lark.

now dat's funny, rembrandt. i get serious about a lotta stuff, but hackin' on dummies is the thing i get seriousest about. Lark.

man, i've seen some dumb folks in my life, but muleloper and adhd are plum 'tarded. i'll say it again, I-DON'T-CARE. don't care what ya say about Darner. never even heard of this lewis guy. the coziah deal is all new to me. and again, I-DON'T-CARE. i'm just tryin' to kill some time before oct 1 and i get to start huntin' for reals. hey adhd, when you "win", whatter ya gonna win? you gettin' a prize for arguin' with a guy that's been pullin' yer chain for a month? sheesh, what a maroon. like Doc Holliday said as he was croakin' "this is funny".....Lark.

seems the older i get, the farther i have to shoot. don't know if i can't sneak as good or if i'm just too lazy to get any closer. seems like the size o' the bucks i've been shootin' are shrinkin' too. must be genetics. no way i'd lower my standards. o' course they were never very high anyway. these new shoulder cannons that they make are interesting. until you pick one up. they're ridiculous heavy. i was thinking seriously about a warbird a couple years ago. after you put a huge zeiss on it, it weighed about a ton. my ol' winchester tops out a little over 10 lbs with a full magazine. i ain't goin' any heavier. but dang, the ballistics of those huge .30's are simply amazin'. i'm surprised this thread didn't cause more debate. everyone always thinks that whatever gun they have is the best and will argue worse than ford/chevy debaters. Lark.

napalitano shot a deer? ok, i'm jokin'. i didn't realize there was a coues auction permit tho. what'd it go for? 116 is a nice buck for sure. Lark.

tam. them kinda rifles are for folks that can't sneak. i shoot my ol' model 70 over my shoulder backwards and use a mirror to look at the sights. anyway at anything less than 300 yards. my oldest son bought a tikka t3 in 270wsm. it pretty much equals the weatherby in a lot lighter rifle. we loaded some 130's for it at around 3400 fps. real impressive balistics. he did have to put a simms pad on it though. kick was rough. he's gonna try in out in a couple weeks in wyoming on a muley. there so many hotrod rifles these day that i don't know how a guy can make up his mind on what to shoot. that is if he ain't set in his ways. Lark.

i lost my class ring while i was water skiin' at san carlos lake. a long, long time ago. 5 years later i was fishin' there and caught big flathead in the same cove. when i gutted him, my ring wasn't in it. go figger. Lark.

i've never even heard of the guy before, muleloper. goodnight. you and adhd need to find another guy to convert. this ol' dude is too set in his ways. you guys are just too easy.

the .280 has died and been reborn several times. it's a victim of some poor marketing by remington and some flip flops in barrel twist and a buncha different smaller reasons. the main reason is that it shoots a bullet that is only 7 thousands of an inch larger in diameter than a .270 and you can't hardly resize an '06 into a .280. not a bad cartridge, just not good enough to replace a cartridge (the .270) that has been around 50 years longer and has a heck of a buncha guys shooting it (like me). seems that a lot of writers like it (mainly because it isn't a .270 and the .270 was Jack O'connor's pet cartridge) but the public never got very wild about it. Lark.

cool. i was really worried 'bout jessica.

thanks for the reply. just wondering. there are so many things to consider here. you can spotlight racoons and bullfrogs, but can't take them with a light hooked to a vehicle. driving at night, i see animals frequently, and usually have a gun with me. is that illegal? had a game warden tell me once that it isn't illegal to spotlight with a rifle in the vehicle. he said that you would probably have your rifle confiscated, but would get it back and pay no fine. he said spotlights were a legal tool and carrying a gun in your truck is pretty much legal. combining the 2 made a situation that did raise eyebrows, but didn't neccesarily mean laws were going to be broken. there is a thing called "intent" that has to be proven in most illegal hunting cases. and don't think for a second that i'm advocating spotlighting with a rifle in the truck. doesn't look good for sure, but doesn't neccesarily mean you're attempting to break the law. utah says you can't alter the path of your vehicle to shine the headlights an animal if you have a firearm. if you do, it's the same as poaching. new mex says you're poaching if you are spotlighting and have a gun and can confiscate your vehicle and everything in it. both states have had some major fights over some zealous ticketing. heard one story about a farmer irrigating in new mex at night. was out shoveling in the light of his spotlight and had a .22 in the truck that he'd been shooting gofers with and was ticketed. i see some things happening that worry me, as far as laws and all this talk about it "being up the game warden" whether something is illegal or not really bugs me. and there have a been a couple pretty vague laws inacted lately that seem to maybe give them some real broad authority. i guess what bothers me most is that it seems like game wardens and the usfs cops are sorta running around acting like everyone is a criminal, they just haven't all got caught yet. Lark.

went to the mt's and did a lot of rifle-less elk hunting. some friends have the early bull hunt and we've been spending a lot of time looking. did some spotlighting 2 different nights. pretty much stayed to the main roads. no rifles. (even though it isn't illegal, but is pretty stupid). anyway, with all the discussion lately about baiting, roadhunting, etc., is it legal to spotlight? there are some new 'game harrasment' laws on the books. could spotlighting be considered harassment? we didn't chase anything around. hardly anything we saw payed us much attention. my question is, with all this "it's up to the game warden" stuff, can they say you're harrassing wildlife when you're spotlighting? anyone have an opinion or an experience with this? saw several other folks out with the one eyed dog too. Az. has some of the easiest rules when it comes to spotlighting, especially when compared to utah and new mex, but i'm just wondering if the wildlife harassment rules could apply? Lark.

so, how'd the show turn out? did josh get his buck? did jessica come out of the coma? did they figger out who the dad was? i was out elkin' all weekend.

why, the .270 o' course. you mean they make other kindsa guns? must be a passin' fancy. ok, ok, i'm biased. but my dad says it's best, so it must be. but in all honesty, i have to agree that a list that doesn't include the .30-'06 ain't complete. afterall, all ya hafta to do is neck up a .270 to make one. Lark.

Az. doesn't have a poaching problem. that's a utah tradition.

i kinda doubt i'll ever hunt there, mored. too 'spensive. too much work. and i know you're bein' a little 'feces'-ious, too. i've never been there and felt real comfortable. since fox has become president, the graft and junk has been cut way back. but there's still too much stupidity there for me. hear too many horror stories about guys gettin' pirated while bass fishing and hi-jacked while hunting. couple years ago 2 guys from my old hometown got killed in a car wreck down there. they were bass fishin' it seems. the mexicans basically kidnapped the bodies. their families had to pay off every sob from where they got killed to the border. had to pay to have em embalmed multiple times. had to pay for for crappy coffins. one of em's wife was a mormon and somehow or another the church had enough ties to finally get em back. if you'll kidnap a dead guy, well that's just pretty low. i'm glad guys get to go and have fun. there are some magnificent bucks taken down there every year. and the people are great folks. don't get me wrong there. folks are folks, everywhere. just some of em end up in real poor "systems", like mexico has. but it also seems that gates and his buddy woulda been better off paying a little more attention to a couple details. Lark.

i know, i profess to never read magazines, but i fell off the wagon and did a little last night. i like to look at the pictures. all them word deals just confuse me. anyway, my youngest son brung home the trophy hunter last night. a magazine i don't much care for, other than the photos. dang, some guys sure shoot some nice bucks. my only real beef with em is all the "green scores" and "gross score" stuff. to me that's like sayin "BS" and "BS". if you're gonna go to the trouble of scorin' something, have it done right or just say, "hey, i scored it myself and did the best i could". anyway, i digress, whatever that means. there was an article about jay gates, a guy i've heard of before, and some other dude that shot some bucks in ol' mejico last year. one was real impressive and i decided to read the article to see if it said how wide it was. it didn't, but it went into a little detail about em gettin' busted at the border by the mexicans and the feds and gettin' charged with a buncha stuff. sounded like a real bag o' worms to me. anyway, from the article, i gathered that there ain't no way to safely go across the border and bring back a deer. according to what i read, they, (the mexicans) want to change the rules on a regular basis and then don't tell anyone that they did. i read a little about this situation on here awhile back, and didn't understand it real well then. probly because i never plan on hunting in mexico. seems like ever time i go there them jokers chunk me in the poky for some reason. last time i went i got a $500 parkin' ticket. yeah, i parked on top of a mexican, but heck, i didn't see him. anyway, does anyone know what it takes to go to mexico and come back with a deer and not go to prison? why didn't gates' outfitter have everything all hunkydorry for him? or is it as the article claimed, anyones guess as to what the rules are. i would imagine the usfws guys have a pretty set procedure, but it seems they even violated that too. talk about a bummer. spend a fortune, shoot some dandy bucks, and then get hammered at the border. seems if they were tryin' to evade the law, they woulda snuck across and not walked right up to a port of entry and declare their stuff. anyway, anybody got the silver bullet for this? Lark.

if it's up to the game wardens's opinion, then anything may or may not be illegal. it ain't wise to haul around a loaded rifle in your truck. but if there isn't a live round in the barrel, and you've confirmed that, i don't see where it's a problem. colorado has a no loaded rifle in the truck policy. but they are real bad about not explaining that "loaded" means loaded in the barrel. the magazine can be runnin' over and you're still legal. back in the 50's or 60's, Az. had a no loaded weapon in the truck law. there were so many accidents by guys seeing a warden and their gun going off while hurridly trying to unload it, that they took it off the books. if you're dumb enough to trust a safety in the truck, then it's natural selection at it's finest. sooner or later you're gonna have a real sad thing happen. but i still really disagree with this "it's up to the warden" bs. laws are pretty specific. Lark.

my dear ol' dad can't walk more that a couple hundred yards. and that will take him an hour, with a cane. he's still sharp and can shoot a gnat's eye. uses his cane for a monopod. only way he can do much is putt around in his ol' pickup and glass and hope he can find one close enough to shoot at. he gets a buck every year. but if you think he likes it better than hikin' the hills, you're way wrong. he gets so upset with himself because he can't get of in the canyons anymore, that it's sorta sad. i'd guess that what he does is road hunting. he generally parks and hobbles off to a vantage point to glass or glasses from his truck. when he sees one, he knows the terrain well enough to figure out a way to get a shot. i ain't gonna bash anyone for seeing a deer from the road. i might be in same boat some day. as for now, it's huntin' boots and horseshoes. it depends on the situation. there are a lot of units in Az. that i'd rather hunt, but i apply with him ever year, for the same place, so i can punk his buck out for him. i always take off the entire season and spend everyday with him or close enough to him that he can signal me. a lot of times he'll let me out to hunt an area and then pick me up on down the line somewhere. but i also feel that able bodied folks oughta get out and hump it. leave the road for those that have no other choice. there's a big ol' world just outta rifle range o' the road, and if you ain't seein' it you're missin' a bunch. do yourself a favor and get off in the wild stuff. while ya still can. my oldest son got to go to the new KC Cabelas this weekend. he came home with a freighter pack that will hold more than i wanna haul. just for his upcoming coues hunt. so he'll have enough room for his camp and for the buck he plans on packin' out when it's over. Lark.

any of you guys ever met don lewis? he's a heck of a guy. just misunderstood. as far as dahmer and manson, yeah, i think they were ok too. at at least they didn't think the rest o' the world had to think like they did just cuz they said so. Lark.