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forget about how hard something hits. just worry about where it hits. all this "knockdown" stuff doesn't mean anything. especially at a 1000 yards. nothing has much punch at that range. but they will still kill stuff. high BC bullets and a gun set up to shoot em are what you have to have to hit well at long ranges. i don't know of anyone that makes a high BC .277? if they do, you can shoot a .270 as far as anything else. it's only the thickness of toilet paper less than a .284 (7mm) and it's larger than a 6.5mm and they shoot them all the time in long range matches. actually, the .270 is true 7mm diameter. what you call a 7mm is actually a little bigger than 7mm because of the way the europeans measure the bore off the lands instead of the grooves. and it is also against the rules to use a .270 in long range matches because it ain't fair. with the completely flat trajectory and the ability to shoot one hole, 10 shot groups, at 1000 meters and the fact that that they are impervious to weather and gravity and the bullets actually go faster the farther they fly, it just ain't much of a challenge. guys would be there for a month waiting for somebody to miss. Lark.

what is wrong with using a crossbow? ain't they been usin' em since the dark ages? (the real dark ages, not the carter, clinton and obama years) i qualify for a permit to use one during archery season because of a total shoulder joint replacement. the 90% deal is sorta up to the dr. you don't have to be 90% disabled in an arm, but you have to be 90% in what it takes to shoot a bow. the only restriction the dr put on my shoulder was things that pulled on it, like a bow. been thinking real serious about getting one and trying it during archery seasons. i have a good friend who was born missing a hand and he has been using one for many years, with great success. they make some really slick ones these days. but man they are 'spensive. i still don't understand the big deal against using them if you're disabled or during firearm season. don't know if i agree with the night hunting deal either. guess it's ok in the context they say, but i sure hope they don't start allowing open night hunting for varmints. talk about something that will screw up a lotta things. Lark.

times must be tough. longears is sellin' his mama's combat boots. Lark.

i would switch. to a .270. Lark.

i speak the truth. the .308 ain't nothin' but the red headed step kid of an argentine mauser. only good thing about it is they necked it down and made the .243. and then it led to the most useless thing on earth, right next to boar tits, the 7mm/08. oh yeah, ron white. Lark.

i've been off deer huntin' in new mex. Lark.

when i first read this i thought maybe it was a celebrity fist fight between me an 308 nuts and i was afraid i either missed it or couldn't remember it. anybody who thinks there is any cartridge that is even in the same universe as a .270 is seriously deficient in the brain department. the .270 is the rifle of the Gods. they shoot perfectly flat out to infinity. and that's a looooong ways. they are not affected by the wind, altitude, temprature, humidity or gravity. the only reason there are even all them other guns to start with is because there are so many igernut people. Lark.

to me using a word like harvest means you're trying to not offend some hugger. but if you wanna be some pc nerd, go ahead, as long as you still hunt and are responsible in doing so. i do get sick of terms like whack and stack, kill and grill, or any other stupid sounding term that doesn't do anything but sound like a moron said it. but as long as they are a responsible hunting moron, i can live with it too. kill doesn't bother me and if does bother someone they are probably the kinda guy i don't wanna hunt with. but as long as "killing" something don't bother em, i can live with that too. when you harvest and ear of corn or a mater, you kill it. i spent a lotta years "harvesting" crops and i don't ever remember using the term harvest even then. we picked it or cut it. cotton, corn, barley, alfalfa, wheat, alla them things. i never remember hearing any ol' farmer say he harvested anything. so pretty much, use whatever word you want, as long as you hunt correctly. it might mean you are little wierd and goofy and probably have some real issues with a lotta things, but that's ok, as long as you hunt. pansy wierdos. Lark.

it's all them unsportsmanlike guys with hounds that done it. Lark.

lemee be the first to say it, COOL. Lark.

too bad it seems like a lotta times it takes a near death experience to slep us back to reality, but then again it's a good thing it happens sometimes too. glad you're on the mend and glad i got to read your words. Lark.

i have a lotta .264 esperience, but don't own nor have shot a 6.5/284. read a lot about em. they are very accurate. so is the .264. most important thing is to make sure your barrel is twisted correctly for the bullet you want to shoot. and conventional twists don't really apply to bullets like bergers. in the past barrel twist has always been based on bullet weight. but a lot of bullets that are designed for high BC, like the bergers, are real long for their weight and require a faster twist than an equal weight bullet that is designed different. i just shoot 100's out of my .264 because i like the hotrod speed they have and i'm not real intersted in shooting it 1000 yards. but i did kill a muley with it at almost 600 a few years ago. took a couple shots to get the range, but i got him. the advantage of the 6.5/284 is in shooting high BC bullets at moderate velocities and hitting with very precise accuracy at real long ranges. you can do the same thing with the .264. my son has a sendero .264 that he has a done a lot of work to and has a calibrated zeiss scope for it and he routinely makes shots at half a mile with it with sciroccos. they both will do the same thing, the .264 just does it with a couple hundred more fps. barrel twist is the secret and the .264 diameter is very twist sensitive and once you decide on where to twist it, you are pretty much tied to that bullet. Lark.

i got a pistol scope from TAM to put on my 629 smith. when i bought it they guy gave me a mount and a set of ring for it so i assumed it was drilled and tapped. well, it ain't. needs 3 holes drilled and tapped on the top strap. anyone know a good gunsmith that i can take it to that does a good job, won't take a month and won't charge a fortune? my last experience with a real simple job didn't work out real well. work was fine, but it took forever and was real expensive. Lark.

you see a lotta ruger stocks at the gunshows. buy a regular length stock and cut it off. Lark.

ok. i'm looking for one without it. Lark.

does the vtr 223 have the muzzlebrake on it? Lark.

can ya vote more than once on the poll? i see 7 voted no. was wonderin' if rinkydinky voted 7 times? oh and yes rinkydinky. guys will hire a houndman just because they want to spend extra money. i'm sure that's the reason. it makes the most sense of your options. at least the most sense i can make of your horrible command of written english. were you homeschooled? yeah, it's gotta be that they wanna spend more money. that or maybe it's because they would really like to shoot a bear and think it would be fun, sporting, legal and follow the accepted rules of fair chase. Lark.

they kill elk all the time with a bow. ain't it at least as good as a bow? the 6.5x284 is one round that really interests me. Bill, i've shot a .264 mag for about 40 years and killed a lotta elk and deer and all kindsa stuff with one of the several i own. so ain't everbody ignores that bore. my youngest son killed a 400 bull with his sendero last year with a scirocco at around 400. most all mine were with 129 gr hornadys. i've always thought the .284 was a slick round. hotter than a .280 and it will work in a shorter action. to me, it is the original "short magnum". well, after the ones that newton invented around 1900 anyway. ain't nothin' really new. now they figgerd out that if you stick a big long .264 bullet in it with their super BC that they shoot with superb accuracy. which is what matters. they had a whole stack o' ammo for em at cabelas today. and with the new bullets that they make for this incredibly accurate round, you're good to go on any elk there is. i think a lotta guys shoot 165's out of em now. the bullet must be about 4 inches long and they hafta really twist the barrel fast, but they make some ridiculous long shots with em. on the show "long range pursuit" i've seen em drop elk in their tracks at 900 yards with one. remember this, all so called "knockdown" is, is numbers on a piece of paper. it means absolutely nothing. where you hit em does. when you hit an elk he don't go "ow, that bullet really had a lotta knockdown". they don't have a clue how fast it's going. Lark.

i'll do that. thanks for the info. Lark.

i hope it wernt bullwidgeon. he has lost enough brain tissue as it is. Lark.

whatever his name was dinky, he was a dumb#$$ just like you. why don't ya go shoot a quail and then tell us how tough it was. Lark.

it'll work. it ain't a .270, but it'll work. Lark.

ever place has elk now. even arkansas. they even have a hunt now. most of em only have one ivory tho. Lark.

you mean treadway? as in tim treadway, the bear whisperer, the guy that his dad told him he would never be $h!t and he proved him wrong? yeah, i can see the comparison there. Lark.

well it was nice to see u of a show some "fight" and start a new winning "streak" last night. Lark.