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a thread on the bear board got be to thinking. some poor misinformed antihunter/hunter said you can't enter anything taken with hounds in the books. we all know that to be a falacy. but i have a question about range finders. from what i understand, if you use anything electronic to aid you to take an animal, it is disqualified from the record books. pope and young won't even allow lighted nocks on arrows. you aren't supposed to use radios or electronic calls. but what about range finders? or maybe a cell phone or gps? but range finders is the one that really interests me. i would guess that if the truth was known, a lot of animals that are in the books, shouldn't be, because of radios. seems everyone has em. i know you can always say ya shut it off and then used "hand signals", but i kinda doubt that happens a lot. anyway, someone enlighten me. what is ok and what is not. and remember, laws and record book rules are 2 different things. all this stuff is legal. Lark.

don't confuse this guy with facts, Amanda. he is the authority on it all. if ya don't believe me, ax him. Lark.

the biggest part of the problem is attorneys. it truly is. the way this endangered species stuff is set up, even if the treehuggers lose the suit, their attorney's fees are paid by the gov't. so it's literally win, win, win, win, win for the attorneys. what attorney isn't going to jump at the chance to get paid even if they lose? i didn't know this until one of the anti wolf shows i saw awhile back. they talked about it and then i did a little more research, and that's the way it is. i thought all along that the anti's had all this hollywood money and whatever and that is what they filed the suits with. and it helps to get em started, but the gov't gives em our tax money to sue the gov't with. that is where the problem lies. doesn't matter any, what is best for the land, all that matters is that attorneys make money. as far the answer? the answer is to give the states the right to manage wildlife, all of it, even the wolves. don't have to kill em all. be a good idea, but ya don't have to. but they have to be managed. no matter what anyone thinks, there ain't any wilderness left. there are a few places that ain't got a road or a powerline or town in em, but they are surrounded by highways, fences, towns, canals. there is no continious wilderness where wildlife can wander unrestricted anywhere in the lower 48. each little area has to be managed. these lawyers don't care about that. they care about $$$$. Alaska has wilderness. a bunch of it. and they manage the heck outta wolves to keep them from destroying everything. sound management by dedicated game bioligists who are interested in all wildlife is the answer. not attorneys or their stupid toadys, the treehuggers. that is why the azgfd has to get off the fence. Lark.

it's like they say, 99% of the lawyers make the other 1% look bad. Lark.

momo is dead gotta a bullet in the head his clothes are all red h e l l is makin' up his bed ok, i started the poem, you guys add to it. this is pretty cool. about time that lowlife got one behind the ear. i don't know it will make things any better over there, but at least he is no longer breathin' air somebody else could use. Lark.

i seen a guy do that one time. the can says snuff on it and he thought it was that kinda snuff. he literally covered the dashboard with snot in a brand new z-28 camaro. he thought he was gonna die and wanted us to take him to the hospital. i laughed so hard i had to sit down. only time i use tobacco is to cure a dog o' worms. it works real well for that. Lark.

what the h e l l do you mean you can't enter anything taken with dogs? the world record black bear was killed by a dentist from pinetop on the fort apache res and he used hounds and is a legendary houndman? you don't have any idea what you're splattering around. the world record lion was taken with hounds also. both certified by the b&c. there are thousands of record book bears, lions and jags that were taken with hounds. hounds are considered fair chase by b&c, sci, pope and young, the longhunter's society and the Az wildlife federation. where do you come up with this stuff? like i said, shut up. we already know you are an idiot. sheesh, what a maroon. Lark.

since eddie died they don't seem to make things quite as hot. he liked to watch folks sweat. i've been chompin' on pickled jalapenos that my buddy grew and canned. i'm about out. but i am feelin' a little better today. beat up a couple hippies at the qt this mornin' and it did make me feel better. they were wimmin hippies, but one of em put up a purty good fight. Lark.

globe is several days away from the rest o' the world. do you guys know who is in the world series yet? Lark.

where do you get this idea that bears just climb a tree and wait for you to kill em? you're an idiot. most bears i've seen were killed on the ground, beatin' the piss outta my hounds. you are a literal idiot. you're also a liar. you keep insisting that there is no sport in it, when you've never been around it. i've been around it my entire life and i do know what it takes and nothing you have said is true but you keep spouting off about it. you're a d a m n liar. you don't have a clue what a bear hunt entails. you're smearing around crap you've heard from someone else that also doesn't know what they're talking about. again, i don't think you have the nuts to hang with a good dogman and his hounds. it's the roughest stuff i've ever done and you'd be cryin' for your mama in a half day. it's a lot harder than any other method of taking a bear. it has it's advantages because you have a better chance at success, but it is rough work and i'm sick of you saying it isn't as sporting when you don't have a clue what it entails and all you can come back with is some guy in 1995 that pissed you off. sometimes you catch a bear easy. sometimes you catch em accidently. most of the time you work your butt off. i'm also sick of listening to you try to trivialize guys with hounds and the guys they take hunting. when you don't have any idea what it entails. you've never ran hounds. you don't have any idea what it takes. you have no idea what kinda dedication and hard work it takes to train hounds. but you act like you're the ordained authority on anything to do with hounds. why don't you just shut the h e l l up and just let people think you're stupid instead of openin' up your mouth and removing all doubt. stinkin' anti hunter. Lark.

for the record, i have never taken one dime for guiding a bear hunter. i hunt with guys that like to hunt, period. as far back as i can remember, a hunter had to be on the hunt from start to finish for it to be a legal hunt. way before 1995. i don't buy anything you're saying. somebody with hounds musta pissed ya off by being in the woods, that he has every right to, when you were, and you didn't like it and now you're drumming up support to outlaw dogs. that or this one incident in 1995 must really keep ya up at night. i don't even remember where i was in 1995. and if it was legal in 1995, then what the h e l l is the problem? legal=ok, in my book. just like it's legal to hunt bears with hounds. and to hunt birds with dogs, and lions and coons and bobcats and whatever all else is legal. you're wanting to make it illegal for a certain group of hunters to do what they like to do. that is being an antihunter, i don't care how you skin it. and as far as i'm concerned a guy who calls himself a hunter and at the same time wants to limit other guys that hunt in order to remove some competition is worse than a treehugger. you never get anything back. you can't negotiate with terrorists. and the crap you tried to unload about all the sows getting killed the first weekend? u27 has as many bears as any place and i don't think that season has ended before the late elk hunt for a lotta years. there is always someplace to hunt. you just have to be willing to go there. like the guys with hounds. Lark.

so far da bull is the only one makin' any sense. what does a onion do? i bet if i did that after a couple days you'd tell me april fools or somethin'. no green. never had allergies this time o' year before. drunk enough emergen c to float a dead hog. and sneezin' like crazy. when i get what i know is an infection i head to the dr. i've had pneumonia enough times that it really messed up my lungs and i never wanna get it again. when i was in nova scotia we all kept getting colds. mainly bacause it is wet and cold all the time. so i started taking emergen c and it seemed like i was ok after that and didn't have anymore problems. and i eat enough chilis everday that i'm getting lotsa good ol' vitamin c. i never had a cold hang on like this. c'mon, somebody hasta have a cure. ain't nobody got an ol indian or mexican cure? Lark.

well excuse the h e l l outta me. goooooooly sargent carter, he's done and been in on 6 bears. 6 of em. everbody but cousin cletus hasta use 2 hands to count that high.....i've done that in a week. i've killed bears with everything that's legal. pistol, bow, rifle, muzzleloader. i've called em in and killed with a bow. i've snuck up on em and killed em with a bow. called em in and killed em with a rifle. treed em, bayed em, glassed em up, shot em on the run. everthing but bait. many times. same with lions. for you so say hunting bears with hounds is some easy cakewalk is a slap in the face of the toughest buncha "MEN" and hounds i ever hung with. you don't have a clue what it takes and there ain't anyway you could do what it takes. and you don't want to know what it takes or you wouldn't say the stupid @$$hole things you say. and, smartguy, if you know of all these guys that are out there treein' all these bears and waiting for some dude to come and shoot it, then the number is 942-3000. call it and turn em in. don't sit here and tell us you know about all this illegal activity and don't do anything about it. what peta chapter are you the president of anyway? i quit hunting bears years ago and if you started right now you won't live long enough to catch up and i ain't nothin' compared to men i know. it takes about a hunnerd grand investment to train a pack o' hounds, feed em, buy and feed your livestock, year round too and then buy saddles and a truck and trailer to punk it all around. i know guys with way over 10 grand tied up in trainin' collars and locaters. and that don't count all the hours you put into it. that's just the start. and most hound guys have a divorce or 2 to pay for along the way. do you have a clue what a top shelf broke hound sells for? more than you'll ever get for every bird dog you'll ever have that's for sure. and i love bird dogs. there is one in my backyard right now. and anybody that can hang onto a saddlehorn long enough to kill a big old mean bear has done something. why do you think folks are lined up to do it? you don't have any da mn idea about what you're talking about. my mule's farts make more sense than you and he's also been on a helluva lot more hunts than you and knows more about it. you could actually learn from him. Lark.

i hate to tell ya this, but it's real apparant from your anti hunting post here that you don't have a clue what it takes to catch a wild bear. a big ol' rough bear is about 10x as hard to catch as a lion. spend enough time where there is a lion and you'll catch a hot track or find a kill and get him. put your hounds on a bear and you might have to finally give up at the state line. and lions are plenty hard. but they don't kill your hounds very often and they don't take you on a multi unit, cross country race up the roughest canyon they can find to the top of the tallest mountain in the area. and when you put one in a tree a lion will usually stay there long enough you can get em. bears will run intil they're tired, wait for your dogs to catch up, chop em all up for awhile until they get their wind and take off again. when you do get one up a tree, they won't stay there and wait for you to get there. after awhile they'll say forget this and come down and take off again. i've spent days after one bear and lost dogs and had to take new dogs everyday to relieve the dogs i left out there all night on his track and every night pack back wounded or even dead hounds on my saddle. if you've treed bears by yourself then i'd guess they were in a campground or lived on a creek where there were a lot of folks that fished or they were just cubs. if you treed a mean ol' boar somehow, he'd come down and eat your head off after a couple minutes. i don't know where you're getting all your info about folks treeing animals and looking for a client, but i'd hafta guess it's mostly hearsay or pure BS. it's illegal as h e l l and has been for decades. some of the most infamous game violaters ever in this state were guys that tried that and finally got caught. and your attitude is pretty dangerous. it's the same kinda attitude that got bearhounds outlawed in colorado and cost Az 25% of it's lion season. and your post is anti hunting. you don't like bear hunters for some reason and are trying to start some kind of deal to see if there is any sympathy for your cause. this is a hunting post and we are all hunters and we all try real hard to support each other. i'd also say that after a day in the saddle in real bear country after a big mean ol' boar you'd be reduced to a shiverin' blob and need counselling from some other anti hunter. it is the hardest work i've ever done and i've done a bunch of it. no campground bears. wild bears in rough country. if you don't like bear hunters then say so. your weak try at justifying your opinion is very illinformed and based on nontruths. and i do know what i'm talking about. Lark.

how the h e l l are you gonna be quite with no shoes on in Az? you don't think the deer is gonna hear ya goin' , OW! DAMMIT!! !#$@%#!!! STINKIN' CACTUS!!!!! Lark.

ohio high fenced hunt? from what i saw on the news today the guy that owned em was a real jerk. too bad. Lark.

don't matter to me what word you use, you still have to kill something if you're gonna be a succesful hunter. whatever word you use to say is just a word. it still takes a deliberate action. as far as a photo of a hanging animal? i didn't see it, but there are photos on here and every other site and tv and everthing of hanging animals. what's the big deal? but i'll give ya some real good advice. skin back at least one hind leg and hang it head down. they are a lot easier to skin that way. years ago i mounted a 2000 lb winch on the headache rack of my pickup. wired it right into the battery. specifically to drag elk up into the bed. worked great for broke down quads, big chunks o' wood, stuff like that too. i remember a couple guys asking me what it was for and saying what a dumb idea it was. wasn't too much later, seemed like everbody, including those guys, had the same set up. winches are a wonderfull thing. Lark.

i bought a couple of the cabelas XX's and bought pads to fit when i got em. the work pretty good. even for a big guy. Lark.

i don't watch a lotta tv. some news, football, maybe the world series. the western channel. south park and a few other documentaries. and not a lotta hunting shows. they are horrible for the most part. but i still try sometimes. in the past week or 2 tho, i've seen 3 different shows that the bulk of the show was about wolves and the negative impact they are having in the areas where they have been established. tonight i watched some guy named shawn michaels. dude with a pony tail. anyway, only reason i watched it is because it said something about the wolf problem on the preview deal. for once one of these stupid showw was a real interesting and well done program. 2 things stuck out. 1. in the states affected by the canadien wolf introduction (don't call it re-introduction. the original wolves in this area are extinct) into the yellowstone area. anyway, the game and fish departments are really involved in trying to manage the wolf and are really trying hard to beat the feds and get control of things before it gets outta hand. well, even more outta hand. it looks to me like there has been so much damage done that they not ever be able to. 2. one stat said that in some place called the lolo area, in 1998 there were like 26,000 elk. today, there are 1300. said if you took an area the size of manhattan and put elk in it by what the population would be per square mile in the lolo, there would be 23 elk. i've been to manhattan. it's a fair siezed chunk o' real estate. it ain't no blue wilderness or the strip, but there is a buncha land there. this is spooky stuff. if you can even touch the fence, get away from it. get on one side or the other and stay there. and lets see what we can do about getting our game and fish department on the same side as us. Lark.

it's a sad situation. for the most part lawyers are like buzzards and coyotes. feed off the dead carcasses and love it. as long as it pays, nothing is too shameless for one. look at how lawyers work. they see somebody, an individual or coorporation or group or whatever, that has money, and with litigation take a bunch of it from them. don't have to even have a reason. they'll find one. the big tabacco suits were that way, same with oil lawsuits and now all the green lawsuits over environment, global warming, endangered species, whatever. a lawyer sees a way to weasel money outta somebody that has it. now look at obama. he wants to govern the same way. if you have anything he wants to take it away and give it to somebody else soley because they don't have it. no matter that they never did dick to get anything, but just because the don't have anything. dumbocrats keep folks stupid, weak, lazy, and stupid because they are the dead carcasses they feed off of. only, once again, they are too stupid to figger it out. Lark.

it's kind of a long drive for a lotta folks, but "THE PORK SHOP" has the best ham anywhere. it ain't like candy like honeybaked and it ain't salty as heck like some others. they smoke and cure em right there. Greg and his crew really know what they're doing. i hate spiral cut ham. it just turns a ham into lunch meat. they are located on the far east end of combs road, just before schnepf farms road. south side. you can't miss em because of all the cars parked out front. they also have the best bacon, sausage, brats, etc anywhere and you can get fresh pork also. they make green chili burros outta smoked pork that are somethin' else. try em out, you won't be dissapointed. Lark.

then why does this diet mt dew i'm holding have em? there ain't anything made without a tracking number anymore. i don't know how specific they are, but they are enough that he couldn't get out of it and they told him they use it whenever the opportunity arises. believe it or not, i don't care, but i am right and you're not. just trying to educate folks to what can happen. Lark.

i'm right, you're not. it's that simple. maybe one of the wardens that lurk around here will back it up. so say what you want, but it has happened. i know a guy that it happened to. when he told em to prove they were his beer cans they proved it with the photos. and he lost his license for 3 years. and it has happened other times too. personally, i thought it was a pretty neat trick. kinda shifty, but it worked. i think they were laying for the guy anyway, but it did happen to him and it has happened to others. game wardens and forest rangers can be just as sneaky as other cops. one time i was at big lake fishing and there were some gangbanger actin' guys in a boat making a big deal outta smokin' weed. there were a couple rough lookin' guys with scraggly beards and stuff that sorta cruised up close and then pulled out badges and arrested the guys. it was funny watchin' em try to get these guys, handcuffed, outta their boat into the undercover game warden's boat. if you think these guys can't use dirty tricks don't whine you get busted. too bad they didn't do it here. Lark.

what a rotten deal. i really feel for ya. i think i still have my old pse fireflight that you are welcome to use if you need it. don't have any arrows or anything anymore. Lark.

hey vegas jeep, what do you mean it says nothing about fire? what does smoking and hot embers mean? i guess there is no chance of a little breeze whipping up a flame. one of game warden and forest ranger tricks is to come into your camp when you're away. take any kinda cans you have laying around and put em by your license plate where the serial number shows and take a photo of em together and then come back after you left and if there is a can with a number left on it, you're busted. i know it happens. i know a guy that had it happen to him. so if you want to think different, that's fine, but it does happen. and don't try to trivialize this. after the year we had with fires anyone who does this really needs a tune up. and leaving trash in inexcusable. there is no way to rationalize or justify this kinda stuff. Lark.