cactusjack

I just got a pair of 8s. They are great. Hold out for the 8s.

Did you call Game Thief?

Pm inbound

in your opinion. When OTC goes away, lets just sit back and say wow. Crossbows in 1996 were not archaic either. Have a great day. enjoy what you have while you have it.

Right from the proposed rulemaking clarification sheet "Crossbow technology was much simpler in 1996 when the crossbow permit was initiated, but improvements in crossbow technology have advanced to a point that crossbow is no longer comparable to standard archery equipment and cannot be considered reasonable accommodation in archery-only hunts." 1956 when the first only archery hunts were put in, that's traditional/primitive. Compound bows were not invented until 1966, patented in 1969. My first compound bow was from the early 80s. Basically 2 wheels. Judging distance was an art. If you wanted a range finder it was mechanical with a wheel to align the images. My father-in-law was an engineer at PSE in Tucson, I got to benefit from the advances quickly. Upgrading every time the latest and greatest came out. The grip was off set, eccentric radical cams, and the hits kept coming. So lets be honest, 90% let-off, trigger release, laser range finders, carbon fiber lightweight bows and arrows, that shoot at speeds of 300fps+ are not anywhere close to what was standard or traditional archery equipment from 1956, 1966, 1976, 1986 or even 1996. So if you start pulling threads, be sure your not unraveling something you don't want to fall apart.

Compound bows are not primitive archery equipment. With recurve and longbows, 20 to 30 yards is the effective hunting range. I am pushing to go straight draw, no more OTC tags.

It seems the only fair thing to do would be to get rid of OTC tags completely or go back to string and stick bows, recurve or longbow only. 20-40 yard shots. You can still use your compound bow during Ham hunts, rifle hunts or muzzleloader hunts. Just not in primitive weapon hunts. Be careful giving preference to one group that is shooting non-primitive weapons over. How can you defend modern compound bows with 80 to 90% let-off and condemn crossbows that someone followed the protocol and got approved? And then lets move on to muzzleloaders. No more in-line, no more optics. Then move on to GPS, OnX and radios.

thank you Roofer Billy. Lets get to what archery hunting in Az was when the first season was established. From what I can find, the first Archery Deer and Javelina seasons were in 1956. So lets call that a traditional archery hunt. The compound bow wasnt invented until 1966 and patented in 1969. So the first 14-15 years, long bows and recurve were your choice. Zero let off. Effective hunting ranges out to 40 yards. If we are going to push out who we deem as enabled, lets go all the way. No let off, no mechanical release, no laser range finder, no carbon arrows, ect.

that is pretty simple, simpleminded anyway. I am a disabled veteran, with service connected medical issues that make it impossible to use a traditional bow. I bow hunted before and now you are saying, tough shoot. Life is tough. Tougher when people push down those with challenges.

Flatlander, I have and will continue to do so. I hope others do too.

LMAO! This will change nothing. The same doctor will sign off on the CHAMP permit application and the number of CHAMP Permit holders will go up dramatically and crossbow hunters will grow in numbers. Some say that it is being abused and taken advantage of. Where is your proof? Before you answer make sure you are ready for what is about to be asked. How many people were cited for illegally acquiring a crossbow permit? It would be fraud, correct? What is the issue with crossbow hunters? Why is it being proposed that R12-4-216 be repealed? ● Crossbow technology was much simpler in 1996 when the crossbow permit was initiated, but improvements in crossbow technology have advanced to a point that crossbow is no longer comparable to standard archery equipment and cannot be considered reasonable accommodation in archery-only hunts. My Reply: What a load of crap, everything we have been granted to use as legal method of take with any hunt season for any wildlife has improved technology. How much technology has gone from a recurve to a compound, or a flintlock to a 500+ yard inline muzzleloader, how about a centerfire rifle which went from a lever action 30-30 to now taking shots at over 1000 yards. What is then standard archery equipment? A recurve is standard archery equipment therefore compound bows should also not be allowed to be used with any archery designated hunt. Make range finders illegal, make inline muzzleloaders illegal, make anything larger than a 3-10x42 rifle scope illegal, make any illuminated sight used for any legal method of take illegal, make OnX maps illegal. Can’t have technology advancement. . ● Trends in OTC archery-only deer, and archery-only elk, pronghorn, and deer draw hunts show a rapid increase in the number of crossbow permit holders applying for archery-only hunts (e.g., archery elk draw applicants increased two orders of magnitude since 2015, from 32 to > 3200 applicants in 2023). My Reply: 1. Arizona has increased by well over 32 percent of new applicants since 2020. That would put the number of applicants well over 250,000 hunting license holders in Arizona in 2024. 3200 crossbow permit holder is 1.3% (3250) of the total hunting license holders. 2. The amount of physically challenged / disabled people has increase by leaps and bounds in the USA. We have more disabled people today than ever at any time of the WORLD history. Technology and medicine have improved dramatically to achieve these numbers saving lives and allowing more disabled people become more mobile plus the increase of opportunity in sports, business opportunities and hunting opportunities. 3. The population in Arizona in 2015 was 6,832,810, The population in Arizona in 2024 7,582,384 The difference is 749,574 people have moved into Arizona since 2015 the increase of 9.9% of population and new potential Arizona Hunting applicants. To think that the number of potential new applicants and new hunters and new crossbow holder wouldn’t go up is concerning. I have to ask about the intelligence of those running the Arizona Game and Fish Department. If I were to take the amount of people have moved into Arizona since 2015 to 2024 and take the number of crossbow permit holder that would be less than 0.5%. Arizona does not have a crossbow hunting problem. ● Crossbow harvest in OTC archery-only deer hunts ranges from 5% to > 30% of total take in multiple OTC hunt units, but only 10% of archery hunters report they used a crossbow to hunt. My Reply: Ah here is the truth. Its about numbers and keeping it even and equal. Make the deer archery season a draw. You can have three archery deer season and allow those who hunt with a standard archery equipment like a recurve the opportunity to do so and those who chose to use a HIGH ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY like the compound bow can also have that opportunity plus still giving the disabled crossbow hunter the same opportunity. Make OTC the deer archery season a DRAW! ● OTC units closing quickly (many within the first week); harvest surveys indicate persons who use a crossbow harvest an animal 3 days shorter than standard archery equipment. My Reply: Think outside the box. A person with a crossbow permit is disabled therefore it is unlikely for a physically challenged hunter to pass up a legal deer because its antlers are to small or not big enough to brag about. On the other hand, the person using standard archery equipment like a recurve or a long bow will also do their best to fill their tag. Those who choose to use a HIGH ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY like the compound bow tend to pass up more legal deer. Which leads to tag soup for that unit. Currently AZGFD has 74 designated hunts for OTC and as of January 12, 2025 33 hunts are still open which is about 44% of the hunts still open. OTC units closing quickly is not valid.

this is beat to death, but I have both the Cricket and multiple Rascals. The Rascal is way better for everything that has been mentioned. I have a couple of the Tactical ones suppressed. They even make Left Handed models. The only complaint is the cheek weld is too low for a scope, and it is a scope only rifle. I have raised it with a stick on foam cheek weld. Considering cutting the stock and putting in an adjustable kit. The one on the right didn't have the riser on it for this picture. The one on the left does.

Pm sent

we absolutely can thread that barrel. We do it in 7/16x28 all the time. sent you a pm

my left or my right?

I thought you paid 600 for the pair. at 1200 you got robbed!!! I hated my Chrony, putting something down range has its risks. My buddy shot the aluminum rods on my last outing with it. So I bought the Magnetospeed. Shooting suppressed, I had to fit the bayonet a couple times to get the correct placement or it would miss shots. I had to shoot it for velocity then zero it since I didnt have the other attaching kits. It also isnt good for archery. I had Cabelas points and figured, why not. Im glad I did. Shot it yesterday. Setup was simple. Connected it to my phone, start a new series, choose what speed range I was shooting, set it up near the front of my bench and start shooting. Didn't miss a shot. It transferred all the data to my phone. Set it and Forget it!!! Its like the Shamwow, Flex Seal and Showtime Rotisserie all rolled into one.

Mine showed up on Sunday, spent cabelas points. Shot it today. I'm very happy with it.

Electric and diesel?

Thank you. Got some.

I have a friend going to Africa and he is hoping to take his 300wsm along. It's been difficult to find. Would like 4 or 5 boxes, 180gr. Let me know if you have some or have seen any. Thank you

I misremembered what underpowered French revolver I have. I bought 6 boxes of 8 Lebel ammo, thinking I had an 1892 Lebel. Well it arrived today and imagine my surprise when I put the ammo near the revolver. I hear a 44 Russian or 44Spl can be turned down and the other component acquired on the world wide web, however I wanted to see if anyone on here had anything for or knew about reloading for it.

Thank you. I saw that. Some of the reviews I read say they don't fit perfectly. I'm debating just not shooting it, a wrist rocket shoots faster with more energy.

Bump

I bought this last October and used it on my 10yo son's deer hunt. He got sick and we ended the hunt after the second morning. It's a great scope but, wait for it, I'm going in a different direction. It is the new model that mounts directly to the Swill Arca system. Not looking for any trades.